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Offline Ninatoo

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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17 August 08 13:03 BST (UK) »
Very timely comment JAP.  I have, just this morning, had to set somebody straight about lineage they have attributed to one of my ancestors.  They had taken a great leap of faith and attributed parents to the ancestor without a shred of evidence! It was very awkward to try to set the person right without sounding like a know-it-all.  I wonder if I will hear back....probably not, because although she couldn't prove her claims, she was most insistent about them!

And I have often pondered the likelihood of obtaining proof that one is directly related to someone far back in history.  It seems that a lot of people claim so.    If records only began sketchily around 1500's (am I correct on that? - seems about right from what I recall) then how is it possible to say one is related to someone before that date?

CARSON - Glasgow, Ayr and Ireland
CLARK - Dunbarton
CORR - Glasgow and Ireland
COTTERILL - Glasgow and England
CROMBIE - Glasgow, Ayr and Ireland
DOCHERTY - Glasgow
EASTON - Dunbarton, Renfrew and Glasgow
GLANCY - Glasgow and Ireland
GORDON - Glasgow and Ireland
GRANELLI - Glasgow and Italy
LOGAN - Glasgow and Ireland
MAIN - Fearn, Ross & Cromarty and Glasgow
MCCORMICK - Glasgow and England
MCNICOL - Glasgow and Ireland
O'BRIEN - Glasgow and  Ireland
WATSON - Glasgow

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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 August 08 19:16 BST (UK) »
I see he produced a lineage for my main surname interest - Child - I'd be interested to know what it's about.

I don't think it's changed much, I know of one website which makes the most amazing unbelievable links ... on the lines of, if you lived in Olde England  long long ago and your name was was William and you lived in London in 1600 then a William who lived in county Hereford in 1620 was obviously your  son - because you both have the same Christian name  ::)

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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 August 08 19:29 BST (UK) »
One of the problems with the Anjou forgeries is that they are well sourced so having sources listed is no guarantee.

Indeed the overabundance of source material is given as one way to spot an Anjou genealogy. and if there were no sources he is believed to have created them which I suppose is one way to get through those brick walls  ::)

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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 August 08 19:54 BST (UK) »
I can't resist posting this extract from the website I mentioned .... hopefully Mr Anjou did a better job!  ;D  :

Robert L’Enfant was Provost (officer in charge) of Shrewsbury, Salop Co., England during the reign of Henry III, 1509-1542. This man signed Robert L’Enfant as a witness and Robert LeChilde on other documents. This could be the same Robert that received a legacy from Sir Robert Cook, near Bury, Suffolk Co., England in 1587. These men are most likely descendants of 1353 Thomas LeChilde of Northwick, Worcester County, England.


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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 August 08 19:59 BST (UK) »
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These men are most likely descendants of 1353 Thomas LeChilde of Northwick, Worcester County, England.

Nice one   ::)

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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 August 08 20:09 BST (UK) »
There are different ways to look at this problem and the most sensible way is...

Caveat emptor

Except you aren't (usually) buying of course.  If you find sourced or unsourced secondary information take the hints they can give you, but don't take the content.  

Find your stones (primary information) to turn; wills, medal records, hospital records, school records, BMD Certs, kirk sessions, newspapers, criminal records, union news letters, parish records, armed forces records, merchant navy records, poetry (yes one of my tree is in a poem  :) )  and many many more.

For example with unsourced finds.  I have found numerous websites/posts/blogs that link to my family with info I could find nowhere.  But deeper lateral searching finally validated what they had, sometimes MI, sometimes newspapers - sometimes I also disproved their assumptions.

The right way is to cite sources.  

But if you don't it isn't punishable by hanging or even time in the stocks.  

It is the combination of written evidence that gives you faith that you have a representation of the "true" history of your family.  The truth being what is written, so really the fun is in finding your own source.

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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 14:36 BST (UK) »
Carole

Off Topic I see you have a photo of someone with some "old siamese, as a siamese breeder (here in NZ) I am quite interested in who these little darlings are.

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Dyan
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Re: Fraudulent Lineages a warning
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 15:01 BST (UK) »
Carole

Off Topic I see you have a photo of someone with some "old siamese, as a siamese breeder (here in NZ) I am quite interested in who these little darlings are.

Regards
Dyan

She's Mrs Robert Locke, one of the first American breeders with Calif, Siam and Bangkok. I don't breed but live with two, what I'd call classic, Siamese - a seal and blue point  :)

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