norwich streets

[roly]

Couple of queries in continuing saga of Walker, printer, Norwich.  Where, exactly, was Church Street, St. Miles', c. 1840-50?  I know that it was in the vicinity of Colegate Street.  Where did White Hart pub stand - western or eastern side of Coslany Street, same period?  Sometimes listed as 28 Coslany Street - 27 and 29 exist (in different profile nowadays?) but when did street numbering take to odd and even system permanently?  I think at a late time...Where, c. 1840-50, was Bridge Street, St. George's (I kind of assume that it was at the lower end of St. George's - obviously, next the Wensum).

Looking to find details of one Theodore Smythes, located in Heigham in 1849 but not appearing in 1851 census.

Here's hoping,

roly

[The Yokel]

Hi roly

could this be your Theodore in 1851

Theodore  SMITH   Head M 30 Coach Painter   Norwich St Peters Mancroft
Susan  SMITH   Wife M 28                                    Norwich St Stephens
Charlotte  SMITH   Daur     7                     Norwich Heigham
Theodore  SMITH   Son    4                                     Norwich Heigham

Wellington Place No 19, Norwich Heigham NORWICH
HO/107/1816   Folio:280   Page:53


regards
yokel

[gjb]

Hi

please see - http://www.norfolkpubs.co.uk/

Grapes 72 Colegate Street // Formerly Church Street, St Miles - an 1885 map shows this to be Colegate Street but this listed in 1892 as Church Street.

I'm not sure if Church Street extended to the left beyond Coslany Street to the river on map opposite St Miles (aka St michael at Coslany) as this was Vulcan Works (Iron).

This map shows Coslany Street ending at St Michael Alley.

The White Hart (my Great Great Grandfather - held the license) is on the right of Coslany Street as you walk towards Oak Street away from the city centre.

Prior to the White Hart, at no. 26 Coslany Street was the Red Lion.

On the left but before the Red lion at no.23 was the Waggon & Horses.

Bridge Street is now St George's Street -

(Pam Brooks, Norwich - Street by Street ) - is a good source for old streets of the city

Regards

GJB

[roly]

Thanks to Yokel (not for the first time, I think) and GJB.

However, 'my' Theodore Smythes was a tailor.  His daughter, Maria ( born in Nijmegen), married Robert Walker junior in 1849 out of Heigham.  Sorry, Yokel.  I should probably have put all that down before asking...

GJB has illuminated much for me.

One more item.  Where, exactly, was (is) the Duke's Palace?  I expect it to be or have been somewhere close to Duke Street.

roly

[gjb]

Dukes Palace was a public house with Duke's Palace Yard - they were at beginning of Duke Street.  they were demolished in the 1960's to make way for a multi-storey car park which was re-built a few years ago.

Earlier pictures on:

http://norlink.norfolk.gov.uk/02_Catalogue/02_001_Search.aspx?searchType=97

or

http://www.the-plunketts.freeserve.co.uk/index.htm

Shows that the Duke of Norfolk lived or had a pad, somewhere on Duke Street. I'm not sure if they were both in exactly the same location.