MCMONAGLE

[MonicaL]

This looks like James in 1891 from SP...now to find him on the other index...

1891   MCMUNOGLE   JAMES   M   35   HUTCHESONTOWN   GLASGOW/LANARK   644/11 005/11 013

[wildgoose]

that ties in with the mc

[CaroleW]

Were either showing as married before?

Marriage entry shows James as bachelor
Mary's fathers name was Tolan so no previous marriage for her

James should be on the 1861 census with parents James & Ann as should Mary with parents John & Mary

[MonicaL]

This is the matching entry I think from the 1891 SP entry:

Joseph Lee 36, plumber, b. Greenock
Jessie Lee 48, wife
James McMunogle 35, visitor, seaman unemployed, b. Greenock

Address: 121 Crown St, Glagow Govan (Hutchesontown)

Now where are we

Let see if we can find James at home with matching parents from the MC....

[MonicaL]

  However from the 1881 Census index on SP, he looks to be the son of Charles. At home in Greenock with Charles, a fishmonger is a James, 24 and sister Mary all showing as born in Greenock.

From SP, only 3 more entries show (with previous wildcards) and none are him.

If he is from Ireland, he looks to have come over after the 1891 census. Can't see him beforehand. Nor is there a death showing for his mother in Scotland.

[MonicaL]

Going round in a full circle  back to that first household I posted for 1901

James McMunagle 50, Shipyard Lab, b. Ireland
Mary McMunagle    48, b. Ireland
Joseph McMunagle 8, son, b. Glasgow
John McMunagle    6, son, b. Glasgow*
James McMunagle 3, son, b. Glasgow
Bernard McMunagle 8 mo, son, b. Glasgow

Address: 10 Ingram St, Govan

I think this is his birth entry:

1895   MCMONAGLE   JOHN   M   HUTCHESONTOWN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/11 1052

He was born in April, just before the parents' marriage in May. Father James Van Driver and Mary Tolan, marine store worker. Father James also signed the register.

Wildgoose, what was the address(es) showing on the MC for James and Mary?

[MonicaL]

Mary Tolan's death:

1st husband James Wright - Marine Engineer
2nd husband James McMonagle - Horse Cart Driver
3rd husband John McDonald - Iron Dresser

Strangely (never seen this before) the section on the DC for parents' info is taken up with the above info, no details on parents. Death reported by a daughter.

Monica

[wildgoose]

The 1944 dc is Mary's daur. also called Mary.  Mary snr only married twice er daur. married the McDONALD

Death cert. No.303
Mary McDONALD, wid. John McDONALD, Iron dresser
d.1944, Oct 13th, 8 Ballater St., Glasgow, age 68
f. not recd.
m.Mary TOLAN, Marine store worker, decd.
(afterwards married to 1st James WRIGHT, Marine Engineer,
2nd James McMONAGLE, Horse cart driver)
cod.Hypostatic congestion of lungs
inf.Annie BERWICK, daur.
Reg.1944, Oct 14th, Glasgow

[wildgoose]

address was 113 Crown St., Glasgow

Going round in a full circle  back to that first household I posted for 1901

James McMunagle 50, Shipyard Lab, b. Ireland
Mary McMunagle    48, b. Ireland
Joseph McMunagle 8, son, b. Glasgow
John McMunagle    6, son, b. Glasgow*
James McMunagle 3, son, b. Glasgow
Bernard McMunagle 8 mo, son, b. Glasgow

Address: 10 Ingram St, Govan

I think this is his birth entry:

1895   MCMONAGLE   JOHN   M   HUTCHESONTOWN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/11 1052

He was born in April, just before the parents' marriage in May. Father James Van Driver and Mary Tolan, marine store worker. Father James also signed the register.

Wildgoose, what was the address(es) showing on the MC for James and Mary?