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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #72 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 16:55 GMT (UK) »



I am a little confused here !!  ::) ( I know .. I know !! ) have I mixed and matched can anybody tell me !  :-\

But I have 2 men who were trumpeters and both named John Brown !! there are two John Browns in EJ Boys .... but only one is a trumpeter .....  :-\

Inscription on the Memorial Stone

Near here is the grave of
Trumpeter John Brown 1815-1898
who sounded the trumpet for
the 17th Lancers at the Charge
of the Light Brigade Balaclava
25th October 1854

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and then ... there is this guy .........

'Trumpeter' John Brown born 28th March 1834 died 26th February 1905
Enroled at age 14yrs as a 'boy' bandsman.
Served 'in the ranks' of the 17th Lancers for 14yrs 285 days
(during 4yrs and 360 days he was 'under age'.)
Cornet and Adjutant 17th Lancers 23 Mar 1867
Lieutenant 30 Oct 1869
Captain 12 Feb 1879
Appointed Paymaster 17th Lancers 18 Feb 1879
(Hon) Major, Paymaster 79th Cameron Highlanders 18 Feb 1884
Staff Paymaster 27 Mar 1889
Retired (Hon) Lt.-Colonel 28 Mar 1894.

Campaign Medals
Crimea British 3 clasps and Turkish
Indian Mutiny 1858-59
Zulu War 1879
Egypt British 1884-85 'Nile' clasp, and Khedive's star

As Trumpeter in the 17th Lancers, he took part in the 'Charge of The Light Brigade' at Balaclava. (25th October, 1854)
He was severely wounded at Tchernaya and at the siege of Sebastopol
buried Mount Jerome Cemetery Dublin Ireland

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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #73 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 17:58 GMT (UK) »

I have never seen an obituary like this ..........  ::) ::)


A. W. Kinglake
1811-1891


Obituary Notice The Times Saturday January 3 1891

THE death of Mr. Kinglake, which took place at his London residence on Friday afternoon can only be regarded as a merciful release from sufferings endured with characteristic fortitude. For long his life must have been somewhat burdensome. Though he loved to seclude himself with his work and his books, to the last he was eminently sociable, and his growing deafness must have been exquisitely trying to a man who was morbidly sensitive to the finesse of intellect and the refinements of thought.
But more serious trials were to follow - Cancer laid hold of the roots of the tongue and painful operations only brought temporary relief. The pen fell from the hand of the brilliant historian, and it was sad for his friends to have their inquiries as to his health answered by the Sister of Charity who acted as his amanuensis - subsequently he rallied wonderfully and almost recovered any cheerfulness he had lost.
Nearly to the last so far as possible, he had been faithful to his old habits and to his favourite haunts. His mother, as he tells us in Eothen  had taught him in earliest childhood to find a home in the saddle - but many years ago as he felt infirmities stealing upon him - he had given up his morning canters in the Park. Till recently the best part of his days were spent in the bright rooms in Hyde Park Place, looking through the smoke of Belgravia to the Surrey Hills. There he never seemed to consider a visit an intrusion so long as the caller was in any way congenial.
His -  in the latter and even in earlier days was always a kind of busy idleness. Perpetually occupied and even consenting to much indispensable drudgery, he would always take his own time, and passively protest against being over-driven. Sacks of Crimean correspondence might be seen standing at his elbow, which his patient acuteness was to overhaul in due course. Very late in the afternoon he would take a cab down to Pall-Mall, where his clubs, the Travellers' and the Athenaeum, stand conveniently side by side. The Athenaeum was his habitual place of resort. He was something of a bon vivant, and his petit diner soigne would, be served, as a rule, at the small round table, in the north-eastern corner of the dining-room.
Till death stepped in to make a melancholy clearance, the same quartette was to be seen there most evenings, although there might often be an additional guest. There was Mr. Hayward, one of Kinglake's closest and dearest friends, who, like Kinglake, had been gradually giving up general society; there was also Mr. Chenery, and Sir Henry Bunbury. The privileged strangers admitted to the select little company were sure to carry away delightful impressions, especially when Kinglake and Hayward could be led on to cap reminiscences. Both the men had marvellous memories; both had the art of giving point and picturesqueness to anecdotes; both had known more or less intimately almost every one who was worth the knowing, and could hit off a high character in a single sharp touch with an appropriate reminiscence by way of illustration.
A milder-mannered man than Mr. Kinglake never lived. He had the gentle and courteous formality of the old school; and he would breathe out a stinging epigram with a deprecatory softness that appeared oddly incongruous. It needed some such reminder to persuade you that the kindly and soft-spoken gentleman could be a terrible and most inveterate enemy, when he chose to consider it his mission to advocate a cause or assail a reputation. Possibly he might have made his mark at the Bar had he stuck to it; but his temperament was more that of the advocate or of the criminal prosecutor than of the Judge. He could see but a single side of a case, and as he read up his brief and assimilated his materials, prepossessions and prejudices grew to settled convictions. Thenceforward the obtaining a verdict became a matter of pride and conscience with the historian. No one knew better how to tone down the virulence of invective by admissions in favour of the victim, more damaging than the most stinging sarcasm. But at all events, he had one qualification of the capable Judge - he serenely set at defiance men whose regard he must have valued. There was no questioning his literary courage, and it was of a somewhat rare kind, as he had exceptional opportunities of showing. In his history he dealt hard measure indiscriminately to the leading members of the Houses of Commons in which he sat - to some of the men who gave the laws to London society - even to the chiefs of the party he consistently supported.
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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #74 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 18:03 GMT (UK) »

continued .......


The eldest son of Mr. Kinglake of Wiltonhouse, near Taunton, Alexander William Kinglake was born in 1811. He has said something in Eothen of his earliest education. "The most humble and pious of women was yet so proud a mother that she could teach her first-born son no Watts's Hymns - no collects for the day; she could teach him in earliest childhood no less than this - to find a home in his saddle and to love old Homer and all that Homer sung." The light of those "heroic days" was overclouded when he went to school, doomed to grind over "vile, monkish, doggerel grammars and graduses, etc.," and from a private school it was a relief to be sent to Eton, where he could at least go his own way out of school hours and indulge his favourite tastes.
He was to complete an irregular education by travel, for shortly after graduating at Cambridge he started on his memorable Eastern tour, and Eothen was the result. Slight as it professed to be, its publication was characteristically deferred, and he is said literally to have laid to heart the sarcastic advice of Pope, when the Twickenham sage counsels a writer to keep his piece for nine years. Eothen came out in 1844, and the writer, like Byron, awoke to find himself famous. There was a charm and a freshness about these sketches of travel, which recommended them at once to all cultivated readers. We may be sure, from what we know of Kinglake's subsequent literary methods, that during those nine years of incubation the file had been assiduously applied, and that the first careless familiarity of the language had been studiously revised.
In 1837 he had been called to the Bar; but he took to the work listlessly, and probably with neither the intention nor expectation of succeeding. With politics it was very different. From first to last he was a keen and earnest politician, at least on questions that chanced to interest him or appeal to his sympathies. He was a man with quiet ambitions, and a full consciousness of his own remarkable powers, and, doubtless, on entering for a Parliamentary career, he dreamed of far higher distinction than he attained. Be that as it may, in the spring of 1857 he was brought in as a Liberal for Bridgwater - a borough in his own county. He had hardly sat in the House for a year when we find him moving the first amendment against the Conspiracy Bill. The matter of the speech is excellent; occasionally he rose to the occasion in passages of genuine eloquence; but the manner of his delivery was far from impressive, and his feebleness of voice was greatly against him. He failed to hold the attention of an assembly which missed the essential links in his arguments.


It goes on and on and on ........... I have the full thing if anybody's REALLY interested !!  :D :D

The Invasion of the Crimea

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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #75 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 20:19 GMT (UK) »


I just can't resist this beauty ........ how wonderful is this ??   :) :'(  I'm not sure if this is attached to the next one ... but I have sent an email to ask !

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« Reply #76 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 20:23 GMT (UK) »


Grove Road cemetery Harrogate   Sgt Maj Johnston

* EJ Boys - Johnston Pte John 735 8th H
                  Johnston Pte Robert 1126 8th H
                  Johnston, Johnson Pte William 1525 8th H

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Harrogate Advertiser - 8th December 1885

The Late Sergeant Major Johnston

This Balaclava hero, it will be remembered, died at Harrogate in 1882, and his funeral was attended with those military honours which so truly befit the interment of those who took part, as the late Sergeant Major Johnston did, in the famous Balaclava charge.
It was thought advisable to memorialise the death of this hero by the erection of a suitable monument to his memory in the Harrogate Cemetery, and with this intention a few of his admirers formed themselves into a committee to solicit subscriptions.
In due course the committee placed the order for the tombstone into the hands of Mr Thomas Potts, sculptor, Cemetery Road, Harrogate, and a handsome and suitable monument has been prepared by him, which now awaits erection over the grave of the deceased soldier.
It is made from the best Bolton Wood stone, and weighs in the aggregate over 2½ tons. At the base of the stone is an elaborate carving of the famous "War" picture after Landseer, and the manner in which this particular part of the work has been done reflects the greatest credit upon the sculptor, who has spared neither labour nor pains to give the tombstone an imposing and attractive appearance.
It is surmounted by a Maltese cross, and stands nearly eight feet in height. The top is worked in "broken ornament" pattern, and the stone is further beautified by small green granite pillars, placed on each side of the description, which reads as follows -
"This monument was erected by voluntary subscriptions to the memory of Sergeant Major Johnston, late of the 8th KRI Hussars, who died November 28th, 1882, aged 49 years. He was one of the survivors of 'The gallant Six Hundred', in 'The Charge of the Light Brigade', October 25th, 1854, and served in the following engagements with his regiment : Alma, Balaclava, Inkerman, Tchernaya, Bulganak, McKenzie's Farm, Kertch, Tennakale, Kotah, Chundares, Kotahkeserai, Gwalior, Powree, Sindwhad, Koorwye, Koondrye, and Boordah.

'When can their glory fade?
Oh! The wild charge they made,
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made,
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble Six Hundred'.


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Re: One for Liverpool Annie Part 2
« Reply #77 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Daniel Dowling

From
"Syracuse Herald Journal", Syracuse, New York
24th October 1954
Light Brigade Vet lived in Sangerfield
By George W. Walter


ONEIDA-Monday will mark the 100th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War, immortalised in the famous poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson. In Omeida and Madison Counties only a few people now remember that Daniel Dowling, formerly of Sangerfield, was the last surviving Crimean War veteran of the immortal Charge. Dowling died in Rome, July 15, 1913, at the age of 81.

DAN DOWLING was born in County Carlow, Ireland, in 1832, a member of a large family...........
..........He enlisted in the British Army when war fever swept through the British Isles in January 1854, just a few weeks before England joined with France and Turkey to sweep Russia from the Baltic and Crimea. Dowling became one of the cavalrymen in the Light Brigade.

On Oct. 25 1854, he was with the 700 members of the Brigade under Lord Cardigan, stationed at the western end of the valley under the heights of Chersonese, awaiting orders to plunge into the Battle of Balaclava. The English Heavy Brigade had already attacked.

In a desperate effort to recapture Turkish guns lost in the morning fighting, Lord Raglan gave the order for the Light Brigade to try and prevent the Russians from removing the guns. The orders became hopelessly jumbled in their transmission and the Light Brigade rode directly into the Russian guns.....into the Valley of Death. The Brigade would have been annihilated if it had not been for the brilliant charge of the French 4th Chasseurs d'Afrique against the Fedoukine Hills. Only 200 of the Light Brigade survived. One of them was Dan Dowling.

He fought bravely through the war. In the Battle of Inkerman he was struck by a shell fragment in the head and was badly wounded. He was taken to one of the crude hospitals that was in the charge of a brave English nurse named Florence Nightingale.

After his wound healed he returned to duty. After the treaty of peace he saw service at other British outposts at Malta, in Egypt, Australia and South America.

Letters from home related that two of his brothers, William and John Dowling, had migrated to the United States. Dan Dowling resigned from the army when he had only one year more to serve to obtain a life pension.

A younger sister, Margaret Dowling, married young and with her husband, moved to Australia. She was never heard from again, although Dan Dowling travelled twice around the world searching for her.

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« Reply #78 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 21:40 GMT (UK) »
An obituary for Daniel Dowling appeared in a Special to the New York Times on the 16th July 1913.

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Light Brigade Hero Dies
Daniel Dowling Rode in the famous British Charge at Balaclava


"Utica, July 15.-In the County Almshouse in Rome today died a survivor of the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava on Oct. 25 1854. He was Daniel Dowling, born in Carlow, Ireland, in 1832. He enlisted in the British Army, going at once into the Crimean Peninsular, where he was in many battles. He was one of the very few who came out of the charge of the six hundred without a wound, and not until the battle of Inkerman was he wounded.
After the Crimean War Dowling went to many places, fighting for England. He saw service in Malta, Egypt, India, Australia and South America. He came to the United States with the intention of joining the Union Army. When he was on his way here the surrender of Lee was made.
Dowlings only sister had gone with her husband to South America. He began a search for her and for years travelled in many countries on his quest, which never was successful. He had distant relatives in this region and came here to live, taking up farming. Age coming on, he was compelled to seek the almshouse.
The veteran had all his discharge papers, but he never recieved any assistance from the British Government. Among the few possessions he retained to the last were the spurs he wore in the famous charge and a copy of Tennyson's poem."

*He does not appear on EJ Boys or Lawrence Crider's lists

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« Reply #79 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 21:46 GMT (UK) »


Wonder if his second name ... or real name was Patrick - Phil ??

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« Reply #80 on: Wednesday 19 March 08 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Patrick Dowling is entered as killed or missing here:

http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/alma.html

On "Believed to have Charged" he is entered as wounded and mentioned on the Casualty Rolls.



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