bar might be bartholmew, pichas will not be their real name.remeber no jewish surnames.always son of:so zeileg looks promising for fathers name.not even christian name.you have to think like a jew.they were in no way christian at that time.so no christian names as we think.so zeileg could be son of zeileg phillips.zeliig phillips 1851 oldest son?maybe nathan so zeileg might be grandson of nathan.wait a minute i think i am in a muddle,someone who is still clear thinking work it out.rule is,1st son always called after grandad.all names will be son of?or daughter of??and .if my dad was john,and his dad was bert and i am 1st son. i would be called bert son of john and in england where you need a surname i would be phillips in this case.so john phillips but than think jewish again for naming patterns and finding alein or naturalisation records. am i making sense. just read latest post.yes thats right uri.is that what i said a few pages back? i will have a look or you will find me under table in debs usual spot if i am wrong.cathayb
