1916 Dublin Directories or similar sources?

[shanew147]

I dont see any Quirk(e) listings in the alphabetical trades sections for Fish-dealers or Fishmongers..

sometimes people are included in the street listing section but not the trades section... will have a look in the nearby streets and let you know if I find anything.


Shane

[DudleyWinchurch]

Thanks Shane,

they never moved far. Once they got to Little Britain Street they stayed at the same house until it was knocked down in the 1960s.

I've one possible address in Lower Denmark Street in about 1906 but that was between two addressses in Moore Street itself so it's just about finding out where they were between Moore Street in 1911 and Little Britain Street in 1917.  I can't imagine it would have been further away than one of the side streets.

Sheila

[shanew147]

the closest Quirke to Moore Street listing I can see in 1914 is

  57 Mountjoy street, Denis Quirke (no occupation listed)

not that far from Moore st about 1 km



Shane

[DudleyWinchurch]

Thanks Shane,

haven't found any connection to a Denis, as yet.

Mary Anne was widowed before she left Moore St, so would have been head of the household at any subsequent address (unless they moved in temporarily with relatives but, with six children, that would be a big thing).  I'd rather thought that she went straight from there to Little Britain Street but this does not now seem to be the case. 

but thanks again as I am now beginning to build up the details of her life and it all helps.

Sheila

[eadaoin]

Glad you found great-grandma!
Mary A Quirke is in the list of "nobility, gentry, merchants and traders" in 1922 at her address in Little Britain St.
It doesn't say what she's trading, and there's nothing for her under FISH.

eadaoin

[DudleyWinchurch]

Thanks Eadaoin,

Unfortunately I don't think that she was nobility but until I know more, I can just hope 

At this period she could be going through changes of fortune as she was very recently widowed.  I've yet to see the 1901 (although a cousin has just got me a copy from Dublin) so don't yet know if she worked before being widowed but she was a fish dealer in 1911 and, given that by 1914 someone else was trading as a fish merchant from the same Moore Street address, I'm guessing it was a shop rather than a barrow.

The next positive fix that I have is that my grandmother married from the Little Britain Street address in 1917 so I'm just trying to fill in the gap.

[added: and of course, there was a lot going on in that part of town at that period]

Sheila

[shanew147]

could not see any other promising Quirke listings -

I suppose it's possible that Mary and family were living with another family or in some kind or rental or tenement. If this is the case the owner of the building may be listed but not the tennents. It does not seem as though Mary was operating her own business as that would usually be listed (she could have been employed by someone else - in which case she would not be included).

I would say that from lack of occupation included in the listing Eadaoin located that Mary and family were of independent means .. maybe a pension or a sale of some property ?


Shane

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi Shane,

thanks for all the searching.  I've just found out the cost the site of 24/25 Moore Street was valued at last year but I doubt we're talking ownership here.

The house at Little Britain Street consisted of a shop and perhaps several stories (can't picture the outside but remember stairs and seem to recollect that there was no internal plumbing), and the remaining family only had partial occupation by the fifties.  It had become one of the notorious tenements by the time they were relocated, so no money then.

Mary's husband had been a pattern-maker so a skilled craftsman but not a professional, so to speak.  I think pensions came in for the over-70s in Ireland fairly early so by 1922, she may have been on a state pension (but can't imagine that was much).

I'm just guessing that as Mary was listed at the Little Britain Street property that she had the shop unit but that there may have been others already in (some of?) the other rooms.  There are certainly several different family names at that premises on the electoral roll for 1939.

[DudleyWinchurch]

Just checked the 1911 and the house at Little Britain Street had 8 rooms and 11 windows
(I'm picturing a front door with a window each side and 3 stories above, each with three windows - is that likely?  I think that I remember that it backed onto a yard with a stand-pipe for water).
 
It is described as a private house but Mrs Wogan is a shopkeeper and has 3 rooms.  Two other (extended?) families share the rest of the building.

It could be that they moved into a part of this house but were not listed [in 1914] as they were not trading until Mrs Wogan left the premises later.

[added: or even still at Moore Street but that the neighbour was now running the shop]