yes its an idea isnt it louise?i will go and look at penfold tree that i have.perhaps all you with penfold trees would do the same.remeber robert was boren 1818 and sarah is from gloucester.his mum and dad,mary and robert hughes were def in honitin on otter,devon in 1818.i have the parish record.love cathay.have you seen how many sarah davis s there are in gloucester 1881 cencus.i dont know where to start?