Elizabeth Ann WALKER, Shankill district

[sbjroberts]

Hi Scurlockgirl,
I note some confusion here in the posts above. I know my Walker relatives from both Spruce Street and Elm Street via my mother who is in her late seventies now in Belfast.
She use to visit her Great-Grandmother Eliza's grave in Bangor was she was born (1841) also (Eliza Eddy). She married (26jul1861) John Walker (born 1831 Belfast and a sailor, widowed on his marriage certificate to Eliza Eddy) who indeed was from Belfast who spent some time in Liverpool via merchant navy. I have some old photos but I'm still deciphering who is who in them. Eliza has three children in the 1901 census and is widowed. My mother's Grandmother was on of them, Mary Josephine born in Liverpool in 1878 as was Robert John (born 1882) and Eliza Anne "Lizzie" too (born 27Aug1884). However there is other siblings, Andrew born 1865 and went to America, John born 1867, James born 1869, an 1871?? sibling?? and Mary Isabella born in 1874.
I'm not sure your Elizabeth Anne is Lizzie or not because I'm on the Mary Walker line.
There are other Eliza Walkers from Cairo Street in the "Holyland" in Belfast and maybe Walnut Street in the Donegall Pass also, but I'm not sure about them.
If this is the Walker family you are after then keep in contact as I'm still researching them via navy links on HMS Terpsichore.
Hope this helps you and other Walkers.
Robbo

[aghadowey]

Just in case anyone else is researching the family...

Children of John Walker & Elizabeth Eddy born Belfast:
- Andrew (1865) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYD-Y29
- John (1867) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F512-NJ5
- James (1869) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB2-PXP
- daughter (1871) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB7-F89
- Mary Isabella (1874) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB4-QQ2

[scurlockgirl]

I was delighted to see your post Robbo.

Since leaving my information I have filled in some of the WALKER family tree and believe that my husband's Lizzie (Eliza Ann) and your Lizzie are the same.  I have not been able to find a birth in Ireland for my husband's great grandmother Lizzie, but did locate a suitable birth in Liverpool on 27th August 1884 and a baptism on 5th September 1884 at St Mathias, Liverpool.  2 other children were born in Liverpool - Mary (your line), who was not baptised with the name Josephine and Robert.  I too have the other siblings you mention, all born in Ireland.

I found a marriage between Eliza EDDY and John WALKER and penciled this in on my tree and even found the widowed Eliza in 1901 and 1911 in Belfast.  I had no idea where she was buried until seeing your post.  My husband's grandmother was born in Belfast in 1918 but was subsequently given up for adoption back in London, so lost all contact with the family.  Her mother was Eliza Ann(e) WALKER, who married Stephen Frederick Donald DAVIDSON in 1907.

Eliza Ann had 2 further children - Bernard and Josephine.  I am sure that the younger sister's name shows another connection with your Mary Josephine.  I have no idea why our Eileen was given up for adoption but subsequent children remained with the family.

In 1881 A John WALKER, ship keeper, is in Liverpool with 2 children (Andrew and Mary) and wife Johana.  I think the wife's name is a mistake and it should read 'Eliza'.

I found the 3 young WALKERs in Liverpool in 1891, living with William and Elizabeth KENNEDY.  I thought that Elizabeth was possibly Eliza WALKER (nee EDDY) who had subsequently remarried a William KENNEDY.  It then looked as if the family returned to Belfast, where Eliza WALKER is recorded as a widow.

I hope this is of interest to you and you might be able to confirm some of the above.

Scurlockgirl

[scurlockgirl]

Thank you Aghadowey.  I have those children of John and Eliza WALKER from Familysearch on the tree.

Best wishes

Scurlockgirl

[sbjroberts]

Thanks for that Scurlockgirl,
I concur. and did wonder about the Johanna thing (mistake?). The death of John Walker remains a mystery for me still.. between 1881 and 1891? I have a photograph of who we believe to be him pre-1901 dressed as a sailor in Maryport (printed as a postcard with Walker and Elm Street, Belfast, written on it).
I'm working in Liverpool now as I type this and funnily enough Gt Howard Street (St Matthias' Church not there now) cropped up in conversation reminding about one story on Mary Josephine, because your Kennedy link might explain how we were told as children that Mary's future husband (James Mangan - Sailor) was previously a lodger in her house near the docks (where she was the landlady). Goodness knows when they moved to Belfast then where he later resided around the corner from Elm St in Spruce St (he previously lived in Lindsey St as a sailor from Co. Meath).
I'm still trying to narrow down the death of John Walker so any help would be appreciated.
Ta,
Robbo

[scurlockgirl]

Hi Robbo

I estimated John WALKER died between 1881 and 1891.  My Elizabeth's baptism does not record her father as deceased, so this would narrow the death to between 1884 and 1891.  I thought John might have been buried at St Mathias, Liverpool, but currently there is no online access to these records so I haven't been able to check.  There are a few possible John WALKER deaths on FreeBMD, but this one looks the most likely:

Sep 1887 quarter aged 58.

Of course he could have died elsewhere, being a sailor, or even have died at sea. 

William KENNEDY married Elizabeth WALKER Sep 1890 Liverpool district.

This marriage does not appear on http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/ website so may have been a registry office marriage.

I have Eliza EDDY(s) father as James and John WALKER's father as Andrew WALKER.  I'm not sure where this information came from - possibly from their marriage details.  Maybe you can confirm whether any of this is correct Robbo.  Do you know the name of John WALKER's first wife?  I've come across a few possible marriages, but haven't confirmed anything.

Kind regards

Scurlockgirl

[sbjroberts]

Hi,
His first wife may have been Johana Williamson. Indeed he is shown as widowed on his marriage certificate - dates are m26jul1861 & m16dec1869.
According to my mother Eliza died in Bangor and never re-married after John's death.
Note in 1881 census the reference to his wife being Johana may be in error because certainly on St Matthias actual baptismal record Eliza is on it for Mary Walker's insert and the address marries up with the census and my family's story about our roots in Liverpool.
As far as his death in 1887, have got that death certificate yet. If not then I'll apply for it and we can corroborate information.
Ta,
Stephen