McKenzie's of Falkirk

[granitelady]

Hello fellow members,

I am researching my great grandfather's family. I know that he was born James McKenzie around 1811 in Falkirk. James married Jean Gray in Cumbernauld in 1839 where they raised their 8-10 children, including my grandfather, Robert McKenzie. according to James's death certificate of Nov of 1869 in Cumbernauld, it list his father as James also, mother unknown. They were stonecutters.
Thank youfor any help with this brick wall.     Dorothea McKenzie   http://www.stonecuttersonline.org

[DUNMAC]

Hi Granitelady,
                      Found 1861 Census:

            Jean Gray, Wife, 45, Winder, Barony, Glasgow.
            Agnes McKenzie, Daur, 9, Cumbernauld.
            James McKenzie, Head, 50, Ploughman, Falkirk.
            John McKenzie, Son, 1, Cumbernauld.
            Mary McKenzie, Daur, 4, Cumbernauld.
            Rob McKenzie, Son, 6, Cumbernauld.

 495/, Cumbernauld Road. Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire, Scotland.

                          1851:

           David, 1, at home, Cumb.
           Elisabeth, 11, Hand Loom Weaver, Cumb.
           James, Head, 40, Whinstone Quarrier, Cumb.
           James, 8, Scholar, Cumb.
           Jean, Wife, 35, Weft Winder Cotton, Glasgow.
           Jean, 6, Scholar, Cumb.
           William, 4, at home, Cumb.

Condorrat, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire.

                                             Hope these are of use in finding others in family.
                                                          Regards,
                                                                  Dunmac.
P.S.   1881 Only Robert and Jean (Mother) together at Muir's Land, Glasgow Road, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Jean noted as being born in Cadder, Lanarkshire and Robert is now a Stonedresser.

             1871 Census: Cumbernauld Road, Dumbartonshire.

            David Love, Lodger, 21, Mineral Labourer, kirkintilloch.
            Agnes McKenzie, Daughter, 12, Cotton Weaver, Cumbernauld.
            David McKenzie, Son, 22, Mineral Labourer, Cumbernauld.
            Jean McKenzie, Head, 53, Cotton Winder, Cadder, Lanarkshire.
            John McKenzie, Son, 11, Scholar, Cumbernauld.

That's about all can be found, no luck tracing Jean Gray in Cadder, too many.
Have found a couple of Census's for son James, ages of family members vary from Census to Census, making them harder for you to trace, give found on James abt. 1844.

                                    1881: Glasgow, Hutchesontown:

            Catherine McKenzie, Daughter, 11, Scholar, Chryston, Lanarkshire.
            James McKenzie, Head, 37, Carter, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire.
            James McKenzie, Son, 9, Scholar, Chryston, Lanarkshire.
            Jane McKenzie, Daughter, 6, Glasgow, Lanarkshire.
            Jean McKenzie, Wife, 34, Cumbernauld, Dumb.
            Walter P. McKenzie, Son, 3, Glasgow, Lan.

                   1891 Census: 137 Rose Street, Hutchesontown, Govan, Glasgow:

             Helen McKenzie, Daughter, 3, Glasgow, Lan.
             James    "     , Head, 45, Carter, Cumbernauld, Dumb.
             James    "     , Son, 19, Engineer's Apprentice, Chryston, Lan.
             Jane       "     , Wife, 43, Cumbernauld, Dumb.
             Jane       "     , Daughter, 16, Glasgow, Lan.
             Lizzie     "     , Daughter, 7, Scholar, Glasgow, Lan.
             Walter   "     , Son, 13, Scholar, Glasgow, Lan.

                                               Any Help?
                                                      Cheers,
                                                           Dunmac.     
P.P.S. James 1811, on 1841 Census, Labourer, staying Mary's Square, Falkirk, not with his Family, Armour, McLood & Manro are others staying there.
 

[DUNMAC]

Hi again,
             Bored and off with cold, so more:
   
                    1881: Youngs Land: Cumbernauld: Dumbartonshire:

           John McKenzie, 21, Head, Baker, Cumbernauld.
           Maggie M. McKenzie, Daughter, 3, New Monkland, Lanarkshire.
           Mary McKenzie, Wife, 23, Baker's Wife, England.

                   1891: Glasgow Road: Cumbernauld: Dumbartonshire:

           James McKenzie, Son, 7, Scholar, Hamilton, Lanarkshire.
           Jane       "       , Daughter, 9, Scholar, Cumbernauld, Dumbartonshire.
           John       "       , Head, 31, Baker, Cumb. Dumb.
           Maggie   "       , Daughter, 13, Scholar, New Monkland, Lanarkshire.
           Mary       "       , Wife, 33, England.
           Robert    "       , Son, 5, Cumb. Dumb.

                   1901: 34 Fisher Street: Dennistoun: Glasgow:

    Archibald MacHie, Visitor, Formerly Farmer, 80, Whitburn, Linlithgowshire.
    James McKenzie, Son, 17, Cabinetmaker's Apprentice, Hamilton,   Lanark.
    Jessie        "      , Daughter, 19, Knitting Machinist, Condorrat, Dumbarton.
    John          "      , Head, 44, Baker, Condorrat, Dumbartonshire.
    Maggie      "      , Daughter, 23, Mantle Maker, Condorrat, Dumb.
    Mary          "      , Wife, 44, England.
    Robert       "      , Son, 15, Joiner's Apprentice, Condorrat, Dumb.

Well Granitelady that should keep you going for a bit, if you have not already traced them yourself. Can Search in England for Mary's family if you know surname and County of birth. Let me know how you get on.
                                            Regards,
                                                  Dunmac.     

[granitelady]

Thank you Dunmac for the census information on my McKenzie family line. I have in the past received the 1841-1881 census from different postings and I used to belong to the International Ancestry.com, and printed out some.

However, I didn't have the 1891 nor the 1901 census, listening my great Uncle John. By then my grandfather, Robert had immigrated to the States and his brother, David had left for New Zealand. I believe William was still there.

Is the 1911 census available yet? If I can look up anything in the States let me know.

Thank you again and I hope you are feeling better now. Dorothea

[DUNMAC]

Hi Dorothea,
                       1911 not available for another few years, give me details of USA lookup, might get something, can't make any promises. If you supply email in P.M. if I get any statside census's, I'll forward copies. Feeling much better now, thanks.
                                 Regards,
                                          Duncan.

[granitelady]

Hello again Dunmac,
I meant I can check on Ancestry.com for you if you need  any USA census info or other genealogical info that might be on Ancestry sent your way. Thanks again.

[kiwilassie]

Hi Dorothea,

I just joined RootsChat and found your posting very interesting. I am a great granddaughter of David Mckenzie who was a brother of your grandfather Robert McKenzie.

David married Margaret Watson in Condorrat in 1872. They had 13 children born in the Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire area, 3 dying in infancy. Like their father David, all 7 sons worked in the mines. One of them was killed in a mining accident at Longcroft. The 3 surviving oldest sons emigrated to New Zealand in 1902 and settled & worked in the Ohai/Nightcaps coal mining area of Western Southland. The rest of the family followed in 1907 - David & Margaret and their 5 remaining children aged 11 - 25 (a teenage daughter had recently died of pnuemonia). Again all male members of the family worked in the mines. Three more sons were killed in mining accidents. My grandfather Alexander (Alec) was the youngest of the family. He subsequently founded some new coal seams and ended up having substantial shares and interests in the mining in that region. In 1924 he married Agnes Ferguson, who's family had emigrated from Stirlingshire in 1909. They had 3 children, my father James McKenzie was born in 1928.

My cousin has done some research and found the marriage record of James and Jean (Jane) Gray. He also identified Jean's parents as Robert Gray and Elizabeth Shanks. Like you we have only found James father (also James), not his mother. So I can't add any new information apart from the story of your great uncle David (my great grandfather).

Heather Rea (nee McKenzie)

[apanderson]

James McKenzie, husband of Jean Gray has a gravestone in Cumbernauld Village Churchyard.

See: http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/19.pdf (Page 10).

Anne

[kiwilassie]

Thanks for that Anne.

I am planning a trip to Scotland next year so will check that out.

Heather