Father's name on marriage cert. But is he illegimate?

[piestains]

Having some trouble going back further than my x3 great grandfather William Dallimore   

I've found him on all the census',

I have his mothers first name year and place of birth (elizabeth, 1822, Shepton Mallet)

I have his marriage certificate - father same first and last name as him (William Dallimore) but doesnt say whether he's deceased or not and he was not witness to it either.

I have his birth certificate (born in Frome Workhouse) - mother's surname the same as his (Elizabeth Dallimore)

But it gets a little confusing -

on the first census his mothers surname is another and she's noted as being single !? Elizabeth Culverwell??

Next census he's living with his uncle (John Dallimore) - but his uncle is married in the 1841 census so I cant find his what could be grandparents.

Now, was he illegimate, and his mother and uncle are bro' and sis' or is his marriage cert is true and the first census with his mother as single with a different surname is incorrect?

I have found a possible marriage of his father marrying just before he was born but it was not to his mother?!

His mother married/remarried a few years after he was born  - she was Dallimore on that record!

Am I missing something or are you lot just as confused as I am?

Is there something else I should be trying
Any suggestions greatly appreciated 

[CaroleW]

Hi

It was not unknown for illegitimate children to make up fathers names on their marriage certs for "respectability" purposes

on the first census

   

Next census

Could you give us details of which censuses you are referring to in the info in your post. 

I have his birth certificate (born in Frome Workhouse

When was he born?

His mother married/remarried a few years after he was born  - she was Dallimore on that record!

What year did his mother marry and to whom?

If she married as Dallimore - does her marriage cert show her as a widow or as a spinster?

If a widow - what was her fathers name on the marriage cert

[piestains]

His marriage certificate has his fathers occupation as a cordwainer so I sort of thought maybe it was legitimate but I suppose he could have lied

He was born 1844 Shepton.  The 1851 census shows him  as William Dallimore, his mother Elizabeth Culverwell.  They were lodgers with an elderly couple also 'Culverwell' but I havent been able to find the connection to them

1861 census shows him living with his aunt and cousins (Dallimore)

Thats it!!!!  I dont have Elizabeth other marriage certificate!          

Thanks Carole - I knew I was missing something.  Must have been going around with blinkers on for all these months

She married a John Brown in 1856 (i think)  will have to double check on that tho'. 

Yay.  I have a next port of call,  thanks Carole   

[CaroleW]

Hi

The 1851 shows Elizabeth as unmarried

The 1841 has an Elizabeth Dallimore in the Frome Union Workhouse.  She is shown as 15 but ages were rounded down on the 1841 to the nearest 5 years so she could have been up to 19yrs old

[LizzieW]

My g.g.grandfather has his father's name on his marriage certificate and he was illegitimate and kept his mother's maiden name as his surname. 

Lizzie

[avm228]

1861 census shows him living with his aunt and cousins (Dallimore)

If you know who his aunt was then this should provide some clues regarding his parents.  I don't see this entry - do you have the full reference?

Anna

[daniel tay]

I Think their is a link to culverwell are you sure it should not be culverhouse. Regards Dan Tay 

[Raybistre]

On the 1851 census there is no stated relationship between Elizabeth Culverwell and William Dalimore.
Both are listed as lodger. Possible that Elizabeth was listed under the wrong surname and should be Dalimore.

What are his parents names on his birth certificate?

Ray

[daniel tay]

Hi Ray,
Possibly no link, but I have this Alfred Watts (1856) married a Rhoda  Culverhouse 1858 - 1922 they had I believe four Children Hurbert Watts 1884-1954 Edith Mary Watts 1866- ? And finally Anne Maria Watts 1866 - 1873, and  Rosina Watts 1877 - 1929. Now married Arthur William Dallimore 1880 -1962. Arthur was the son of Job Dallimore and Mary Anne Dallimore.  Mine are from Bradford on Avon - Winsley. Job was from Thomas and Elizabeth Dallimore.
I hope this might help?
Regards Dan Tay