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Advice on Scarborough please
« on: Saturday 23 February 08 17:01 GMT (UK) »
Hello

I am trying to trace my paternal grandmother.  As she died when my father was 12 my information is sketchy.  My dad was born in Stockport and according to his birth certificate, his fathers name was Mark Webb and his mother Phyllis Web nee Lestrange.  My dad never knew his father, he was always told he had died when my father was a baby.

My grandmother died aged 48 on 30th April 1937 while she and my dad were living in a rented room above Longhorn general shop, 91 North Street, Scarborough.  At that time she was known as Phyllis Smith, but her death certificate shows her as Phyllis Winifred Manley-Smith, widow of James Manley-Smith, a master builder.  Again this is someone my dad never knew. My dad was then placed into Sunnyside Children's Home until he was 13 and he was then sent to another home in Corsham, nr Portsmouth.  From there he joined the army and was told that according to records his name was Web-Smith, but he doesn't know what records these were.

My dad was told that at some time she had worked at the Grand Hotel in Scarborough as a chef, but this is still to be confirmed.  In 1978 my dad wrote to Scarborough Borough Council to try to find any available information. They wrote to the county archivist and although mention is made of my father (John Smith/Webb) in the minutes of North Riding Public Assistance Committee of 1937, there is no mention of his mother.  In the register of children in care there is mention of a John Philip Smith-Manley with a brief note of his mother Mrs Phyllis W Smith-Manley (deceased).  They also tried the Social Services department but no records could be found.  This was all the information the council could give my dad.

I have been unable to find any birth/marriage records for my grandmother and would like to ask if anyone can advise me of other avenues to try.  I have spoken to some very helpful people on the Stockport forum but again with no luck.

Many Thanks
Lesley

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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 March 08 19:05 GMT (UK) »
I will try to help. Please can you tell me your dads full name.
I take it you have his birth cert, and know when he was born.
Joan (Stockport)
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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 March 08 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Joan

My dad's full name at birth was John Philip Webb and he was born 2nd July 1924.  Someone on the Stockport forum kindly checked the electoral registers at the Stockport library for 1924/5 but there were other people shown at the address where his parents were apparently living, but his parents were not listed.

If you look at my posts you can see the dialogue from the Stockport forum, but you may have done this already.

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Lesley

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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 March 08 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried looking up the local newspaper for the funeral report of your gran in 1937.
If you could find out who went to the funeral it may help.

Found someone on genes whos looking for a Phyllis Lestrange. Is that to do with you?
I've tried to make contact with them.
Joan
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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 March 08 08:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Joan

Thanks for that, I will try and contact the library to see if they can help with the newspaper information.

My husband had tried the Genes site but as since cancelled his account, hence the reason for no contact.

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Lesley

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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 March 08 11:12 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried looking up the local newspaper for the funeral report of your gran in 1937.
If you could find out who went to the funeral it may help.

Found someone on genes whos looking for a Phyllis Lestrange. Is that to do with you?
I've tried to make contact with them.
Joan
This is the reply from Michael on genes. He's assuming that Your Phyliis married Mark Webb.
Thomas Secluna's sister,Agnes, married Wlliam Croft of Secunderabad,India.Their daughter Grace married George Peters.Their son Gilbert married Phyllis Lestrange.But I don't have any more about either of them or their children.. I'm primarily interested in the Secluna family, and have only incidentally added in some of their other relations. I would suspect that my Phyllis Lestrange was born in and lived in India.
She may have remarried of course but it doesn't look promising if your friend's Phyllis had a son called John Webb.
good luck,
Michael Wendell Thomas
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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 March 08 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Two Stockport Lestrange marriages for you to keep in mind.
L\'STRANGE Francis S HENRY Anne 1880 Stockport Civil Marriage Stockport Cheshire STR/28/91
I can trace this family on the census. I suppose that Phyllis could be their daughter, born after 1901 census. When Annie was a WIDOW. suppose she could have been pregnant with Phyllis.

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LESTRANGE Maurice BEATON Christina 1944 Stockport, Trinity Methodist Church (Wellington Road) Stockport Cheshire ST21/12/171
I think these may be the parents of the Ken Malcom and Rosslyn births

Hope I've not cunfused you even more. To sum it up..Francis and Anne/Annie. ...All guesses at the moment, but they do seem to be in the right place...married Stockport, living Harpurhey which is just up the road from Stockport.
Of cource I've still NOT found Phyllis's birth..but that would just be to easy for us.  ::)
Joan :)
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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 March 08 16:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Joan

Its encouraging to find some Lestrange's in Stockport, although my dad doesn't remember his mother having an accent.  He can't picture her face but does remember her as having a posh voice.  The Lestrange family also had a great house in Hunstanton until it was sold in 1954 and there are still members of the Lestrange family living there.  My dad did write to them in 1989 but there is no mention of a Phyllis in their records.  He was also told that his mother had worked on the Sandringham estate, but they have no details of her either, although they do say their records are not complete.

Going by the age on her death certificate, Phyllis would have been born about 1889 but as we have discovered in researching my mum's family, a persons age depends on which piece of paper you are looking at, so anything is possible.

Unfortunately part of your message has been deleted apparently due to a breach of copyright, so I don't know what other information you were trying to give.

I am currently waiting a response from the Grand Hotel in Scarborough, hopefully they might find something.

I am very grateful for the time you are spending on this and I keep on thinking my luck must change at some time.

Best Wishes
Lesley

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Re: Advice on Scarborough please
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 March 08 12:32 GMT (UK) »
In 1880 a  marriage for Francis Samuel Lestrange to Anne Henry in Stockport.
1891 They are in Harpurhey. Just up the rd. Francis S L Estrange aged 40. Born Cheshire. Anne Estrange aged 35 born Heaton Mersey. (Next door to Stockport and sometimes claimed as Stockport depending which part). Samuel H Estrange, aged 9, born Manchester. and Hilda , aged 7 , born Manchester. By 1901 Annie was widow and had another girl Gladys, born Manchester 1892. I'm wondering if This couple could have been The parents of Phyllis. And that  Annie could have been pregnant with Phyllis. All guesses at the moment. Maybe when we get the 1911 census things may show up. So just keep this family in mind for now.
Joan
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