Mary Ann LEARY, c. 1835

[Bill749]

IGI has most of Samuel and Mary Ann Leary's children christenings. They all took place (except for Emily) at Old Church, St Pancras on 14 Oct 1854...these are their birthdates:

Ellen Leary 17 may 1847

 
Ellen was born before Grace died!  Was she really the daughter of Samuel and Mary Ann, or did the vicar just assume the children all had the same mother, as they were brought for baptism at the same time?

Alfred and Frank were born before he married Mary Ann. 

Hannah was missing from the family in 1841 - she would have been about 8, so may have been visiting family elsewhere.

If this is her , then Samuel may have married his niece

 
I'm sure that would not have been legal!

This is really wonderful Deb - I can't thank you enough for all your efforts.

Bill

[deb usa]

Hi Bill

thank goodness you are here ...Okay Grace died 1848...some of the kids were born after ...but why the christenings all on the same date ,,, was something going on ?

Maybe they were all mary ann's but they could not christen them immedaitely as he was married to Grace ...

eeekkk ...it's late here ... i need to rethink ...all of the IGI christenings were extracted ...

deb

addec ..I have seena Hannah in 1841 as a vistor in Devon ...right age ...

[deb usa]

Hi Bill

just summarizing so that we can see it at a glance :

We have these sons ...children of John Leary and Ann

Daniel Leary 15 Feb 1801
John Leary 7 april 1799
Samuel Leary 20 apr 1803
Henry Leary 30 Sept 1804 = Mary Pollard (d/o Ezekiel Pollard and Wilhelmina Spicer)
Samuel Leary 21 Dec 1809 = 1. Grace ?? and 2 Mary Ann Leary
James Leary 21 Dec 1809 ... possibly twin to Samuel

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Henry Leary (1804) and Mary Ann Pollard had ;
Mary Ann LEARY, St Sidwell , Exeter... 4 May 1834 = your gt gt grandmother
James LEARY ... 24 feb 1833 , St Sidwell
samuel LEARY ... 17 April 1836 St Stephens
Harriot Leary bc 1840
(1841; all but James living in St stephens, no sign of them in 1851)

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Samuel Leary (1809) = Grace ??
they had:
(1841 census);
Hannah b c 1833 (on 1861 with family in Middlesex, 1841 possibly a visitor in Devon)
Louisa b c 1838
Samuel b c 1840
no sign of them in 1851

In 1848 Grace Leary, the mother, dies.

in mar q 1851 Samuel Leary remarries to Mary Ann Leary

by 1861 they are in Middlesex with these children:
William 17 , bc 1844  s/o Grace
Ellen 12 , bc 1849..her birthdate belows would make her Grace's daughter , but christened as d/o Mary Ann the 2nd wife 
Alfred 11, b c 1850 ...Samuel and Mary Ann are not married at this stage, Grace is dead ...birthdate below shows he was born May 1849 
Frank 9, bc 1852 ..He is born April 1851 (see below) , just after Sam and Mary marry
Agnes 3 b c 1858
Emily 1, b c 1860


IGI has most of Samuel and Mary Ann Leary's children christenings. They all took place (except for Emily) at Old Church, St Pancras on 14 Oct 1854...these are their birthdates:

Ellen Leary 17 may 1847
Alfred John Leary 6 may 1849
Frank James Leary 26 april 1851
Agnes Hannah Leary 3 dec 1857 ...i must have mistranscribed her age on 1861
Emily Leary chr. 10 july 1860, Pentonville , d/o Samuel Leary and Mary Ann

In 1871 , Mary Ann is a widow;
St James Clerkenwell
44 Collier
Mary A LEARY head wid 47 formerly compositor's wife b Devon Exeter
Alfred son unm 21 printer compositor b Middlesex , St Pancras
Agnes H dau 13 bookfolder b Clerkenwell (BMD = Agnes Hannah)
William Leary nephew 15 printer compositor b Hackney.


I wonder who William belongs to, ?  maybe one of Henry Leary (1809) and Mary Pollards grandchildren ... will look

deb 

[Bill749]

HI Deb

I'm not at all worried about "bulk" christenings - they were not uncommon; my grandmother was baptised on 29th April 1885, along with 3 brothers and a sister.  I have always thought it might have been a way of saving money!

Grace died when Ellen was just one year old, so Samuel would have needed someone to look after the baby - Hannah was 15, but may not have been living at home at the time - so he would have turned to a close friend, neighbour, or family member (the latter seems likely in this case) who could move in and act as "housekeeper".

It was also not uncommon for such a "housekeeper" to quickly become rather more than just a nursemaid for the children!  In this case it seems to have happened before wife no. 1 was cold in her grave, as Alfred was born about one year after Grace's death.

There is, of course, another possibility to consider here, particularly if Mary Ann was a widow: if she were widowed during her pregnancy she, also, would have needed someone to take care of her unborn child, and it would have suited both of them to marry - allbeit illegally - as soon as possible!

The plot thickens!!

Bill

[deb usa]

Hi Bill ..

Wish I could find more on your Gt Gt Grandmother's direct  family ...I will keep looking ...

Further to : Samuel Leary and Mary Ann Leary's family:

1881
Finsbury, Islington
10 Denmark st
Mary A Leary head wid 57 b Exeter
Alfred J Leary unm 31 compositor b St pancras

1891
Mary A Leary is by herself , wid, 67 and living on her own means

1901
New Maldon Surrey
Rosemont
Henry Rheinlander head mar 51 photographer b Bethnal Green
AGNES wife mar 43 b St Pancras
Edam son 14 b Bansbury?
Arthur son 10 b "
Ethel dau 5  B   "
MARY A LEARY m-i-l wid 77 Living on own means b exeter

Agnes Hannah LEARY = Henry Charles RHEINLANDER
sept q 1879 St Pancras

death:
Frank James LEARY ; Dec q 1861 Clerkenwell

can't find Alfred James Leary in 1881/91 ...nor a death

deb

oops just seen your post ..will post this and read yours

[Bill749]

Bansbury?

Probably Oxon (Oxfordshire), Banbury.

Edam

FreeBMD has:
   Edgar Alfred, Mar 1887
   Arthur Henry, Dec 1890
   Ethel Agnes, Jun 1895
All Islington

Bill

[deb usa]

Hey Bill ...

I think I have found the Family of James LEARY , Possible Twin of Samuel b 1809...ie; Your Henry's other younger brother ....

do you want me to do this side too ??

deb

[Bill749]

Phew Deb! 

I can hardly keep up with typing up this family!!   

If you are happy to keep looking I am happy to keep receiving - you never know when something interesting may turn up (not that it isn't all very interesting).  After all, we still don't know who Mary Ann (2nd wife of Samuel) was, do we?

Many, many, heart-felt thanks for your efforts. 

Bill

[Bill749]

Gt gt grandma, Mary Ann (= Thomas SNELL) died aged 40 in Sept 1/4 1874.  Thomas later married Elizabeth Caroline SAUNDERS (nee BEER), a widow from Dover, who was my gt grandfather's aunt, and she became step-mother to Alice Maria.

Great grandad (Alfred Albert BEER) and gt grandma (Alice Maria SNELL) were step-cousins.

I only discovered this complicated relationship fairly recently, after puzzling for 20 years about how they came to meet.

Now, with your help, I have not only got her mother's maiden name, but have gone back 2 further generations on her mother's father's line and 3 on her mother's mother's line!! 

I now have a tree, starting from John Leary, born in the 1700s, which shows 9 generations of his descendents down to my sisters new great grandchild, born last week.    (I can trace her ancestors back 16 generations on 2 lines!)

Bill