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Help needed breaking down a brick wall
« on: Tuesday 19 February 08 13:41 GMT (UK) »
I need some help in breaking down a brick wall, namely determining when and where my 3rd great grandfather, John Matthews died
He left Mile End Old Town Workhouse, along with his wife Mary Anne and daughter Sussanah between 1891 and 1892. Its not known where John and Mary Anne went to 1892, however, Susannah went to what looks like " Mrs Jordan Mission Hall Malden Ro Kentish Town " ??? (not quite sure as handwriting difficult to read, in 1891.

The trail on John goes cold at this point but I do have a Marriage
certificate for Susannah, August 2 1897, residence at time of marriage 63 Copenhagan Place, father deceased. So this tells me that he died sometime between 1892 and 1897. However, determining when and where he died is now> become a brick wall. I have painstakingly gone through the GRO indexes and looked at all the entries that fit the bill in terms of age and area across volumes 1b and 1c, and I have come up with what has become an expensive nothing in terms of death certs. Have I missed something.

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Steve

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Re: Help needed breaking down a brick wall
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 14:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi

You haven't included any of the following details which are very important in helping to find him

His birthyear
His birthplace
Same info for Mary Anne

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He left Mile End Old Town Workhouse, along with his wife Mary Anne and daughter Sussanah between 1891 and 1892

Where did you get that info from?  Does it clearly show that all 3 left on the same date?

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Re: Help needed breaking down a brick wall
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Carole many apologies
 John (aka Thomas) MATTHEWS born  Oxford 1826.   I have very little on his time in  Oxford, other than the fact he  came from the Hamel in the  St Thomas parishof Oxford.

 What I do know is that by 1851 he is living at 23 Leybourne  Road Camden employed as Porter at Pickfords.  In 1861 he is  living at 1/4 Georgina Terrace, Mile End Old Town with wife  Elizabeth and four children Thomas, Mary, John, Julia and Sarah Anne  There is no trace of him or his family in 1871. (Something I would dearly love  to find as with the exception of Thomas I am having real difficulty finding the rest of the family).

However, by 1881 he appears to have remarried and is living  at 136 Rodeswell Road, Limehouse with wife Mary Anne and  daughter Susanah, rest of the family have dissappeared. By 1891 both John and Mary Anne are living  in Mile End Old Town Workhouse. Johnn and Mary Anne went in January and February 1888 respectfully via the infirmary and Sussanah went in the same time as her father  but to the school as opposed to the work house

Susaanah left in 1891  to "Mrs Jordan Mission Hall Malden Ro Kentish Town (not quite sure as handwriting difficult to read, in 1891.

John and Mary Anne left separately  a month apart a year later

Susannah's marriage certificate dated August 2 1897  tells me that John had died by 1897.  Susannah  and her mother were living at 63 Copenhagen place

His occupation, from 1861  onwards, was that of a Bargeman /Boatman

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Re: Help needed breaking down a brick wall
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 15:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi

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John (aka Thomas) MATTHEWS


This could be the problem finding his death.  Was he Thomas when he died or was he John?   

Have you already discounted these deaths on freebmd

John Matthews Age 68 March qtr 1894 Marylebone  Volume: 1a Page: 427

John Matthews aged 70 March qtr 1895 Pancras  Volume: 1b
Page: 80


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Re: Help needed breaking down a brick wall
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 February 08 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Carol

I have death certs for both of those, He only calls himself Thomas once and  thats in the 1861 census.

regards Steve