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[krisesjoint]

Tiggi,

Do we know who this Plato was?

Plato BUCKLAND aged 78 of Easthampstead Union was buried 4 Sep 1866 Easthampstead SS Michael & Mary Magdalene

Born about 1788 - Just wondering if this the one married to Ann Hazard or yet another Plato?

Kris   

[tiggi]

Hi Everyone
 just catching  up on posts
 Krisesjoint :
 I think this is another Plato not one from Marlow as he was born about 1836- 1840 I know it seems big gap but thats by census records so can;t be same person
 But interestingly would fit more with the Edward ( Ned) Buckland married Diana Smith born 1755  he died 1845 presumed buried in grounds of Union workhouse at Chinnor Oxfordshire
I think I am right in thinking Easthampstead  would be outside London maybe borders Oxfordshire ?
 This could be possible father of the Marlow Plato
 Plato 1836  Marlow
would make Plato b 1788 aged 48 when he was born his father

It would also fit that its been said in documents that Tenant own youngest son was called after his distant relation Plato ?

So my line of thought here is Plato b 1788 could be either a brother to Edward b 1755 or possible son ?
 

I know tradationally Gypsies would use names of ancestors down through family and  Plato is in my family as name many times as sons of sons etc
I also have said that Diana & Edward daughter Tianna ( Teannah)  who  married John fletcher in 1822 has been passed down through my female side right up to my father;s
sister so we are in right family I think
 so Krisesjoint you may well have found a missing relation


so to recap :
Edward Buckland born 1755 maried Diana Smith ( unknown date)
died 1845 aged 90 Chinnor Oxfordshire
Now does Plato b 1788 fit here as son ? or brother
I would think he is the one who married Ann Hasard 1812
Then He had son Plato born 1836/40 Marlow would make sense he traveled with his mothers family Hasard & also Fletchers Teannah Family in later Census
now I am still wondering if my Tenant & Plato were Children of Isaac Buckland because it would fit with him marrying in 1831 when Tenant ws born but I would hve to say Plato born 1839 throws this out if Isaac died 1834 unless he lied about his birth year or unless Isaac died later  ? but thne I hve neber found any other children to this couple so its to my way of thinking that Plato could have lied about his birth year I always thought there was a huge gap between these boys birth dates that seemed abit strange


 cont :
Edward & Diana
Had Daughter Teannah married John Fletcher 1822 Winchendon Buckinghamshire
 Had son Isaac Buckland married Salome Hearn 1831 died abt 3 yrs after marriage only what I was told not proven ( unknown if had children)

It is mentioned in documents that Tenant b 1832 brother Plato b 1839 are descendants of this family and both went to USA
so we are on right lines

thank you Krisesjoint for adding yet another piece to my puzzle

[tiggi]

A fascinating hunt Tiggi 

Here is a family in 1861 - Sadly unnamed 

RG9/1536 Folio 26 Page 18
Margate Lane
Bodmin (Tents)
Cornwall

Name Not Known Head Condition Not Known aged about 45 Place of Birth NK Gipsies
Name Not Known Wife aged about 37 Place of Birth NK Gipsies
Name Not Known Dau 14 Place of Birth NK Gipsies
Name Not Known Dau  8 Place of Birth NK Gipsies

Found this 51 entry for a Stanley Family - on a RootsChat Search I see has come up in a Lee thread as they are travelling with the Lee family

HO107/1910 Folio 632 Page 11
Old Turnpike Road
Kea
Cornwall

STANLY (Male) Head 56 Mar Tinker and Razor Grinder
STANLY Harriett Wife 55 Mar
STANLY Harriet Dau 19 Unm
PENKRY Patty 31 Unm
STANLY Phillippa Dau 16
STANLY Matilda Dau 13
STANLY Betty Dau 11
STANLY Algaurny Dau age 10

Kris 

this one I can answer in 1851 Census Stanley family are my Grans family and could be the Famous Owen & Harriet Stanley made King & Queen in Ohio
 I know I found some Baptizms to this family from 1847 to 1851 in Cornwall parish records which proves they were down here
Interestingly only yesterday was looking up passenger lists and Stanley family ( Owen & Harriet) all went in 1856 to USA but from Glasgow on Osprey which puzzled me why go all the way to Scotland when usually they went from Liverpool  would have gone pass there to get to Scotland strange?

The Lee family would be  William & Matilda Lee parents of Robert Lee who married Harriet Smith she was my Great Grandmother;s sister their youngest daughter Selina married Abraham Boswell
 He was know for  murder of John Down and served 17yrs for this after he was allowed out of Prison he married Selina in 1900


Regarding 1861 Census such a shame no names so can;t help there
 but I know in 1871 Selina Smith married to Henry James (my Grandmother's sister) was camped in Bodmin with my Gran Betsey and more of her siblings at that time not married

Just point of interest I know Bodmin well never heard of Margate Lane will see if I can find out about it very interesting of course Bodmin back then had famous Bodmin Jail  ( in use did hangings in jail ground)and many cases were heard here and lots of families were imprisoned so much history in Bodmin


I would also like to tell you all since this Hunt started I have recieved amazing document from a relation in USA  regarding Tenant Buckland ( It made me cry )

It is a newspaper report called  A PEEP IN A GYPSY CAMP
think its dated about 1890 in USa fort lee New York
 what was so exciting not just the written details about my family
 Its Great Grandfathers Camp Tenant  Bucklin ( Buckland )
 He says that the Gypsies orginally came from Hungary ( which I have always had my thoughts that was where we orginiated from)
There were drawings of Family on there and one of Tenant !!
some of the Wagons too
I only wish I could share it with you all

Anyway to finish up I am very grateful for everyone for all your time & effort in this Hunt and I have enjoyed every minute and have more to add to my records
MANY THANKS EVERYONE

[Tephra]

Tiggi.........is there any way you could scan the article and let us see it, I for one would be most interested.   I'm sure the others would too.


Barbara

[Lesanne]

http://www.bfheritage.org.uk/memories_info.php?CID=55&LID=187

This is a link to the Easthampsted Union. Its in Bracknell.
Closer to Bray/Cookham/Marlow than Oxford.
Been waiting for some jump to my Bucklands. Also Williams and Lacey in Risborough.

Wahoo Tiggi. That newspaper report is amazing. How lucky are you. WoW isn't it just fantastic when something like that comes through.

  I know you are grinning from ear to ear. 

It would be great to see it.  Wahooo to you.   

[deb usa]

Ohhh , Tiggi .... I am so envious of the newspaper report, but even more so of an actual drawing of your Tenant .... how amazing to know what he would have looked like.


BTW ... I am also REALLY happy for YOU ! 

deb

[tiggi]

Thank you everyone
DEBS did you see my post ? about robert Penfold ?

Here is some mor interesting reports :

A NEW KING OF THE GYPSIES
A king of the gypsies of the Americas has been born. It was out in the woods of Newton in a tent, Saturaday afternoon that he was ushered into the world , and thus may Massachusetts claim the distinction of being the birthplace of him who will be christened King John of the Gypsies and successor of King Henry late ruler over the Romany tribes of the United States Canada & the South American states
The royal youngster - he weighed eleven pounds - is the son of Tryphena 34th Queen of the ZUT tribe of roman Romchiels and of Gypsy Sam whose surname is BUCKLAND
They were made one in merrie England fourteen years ago the mother is granddaughter of Charlotte who was the 27th Queen of the ZUT tribe of the BASQUE and ASTURIAS provinces in Spain
The youthful King is 5th son born of Queen Tryphena after the death of King Henry which occurred in Birmingham England in November 1890
Of the other children Lena 12 has godfather Sir John Mcloud of England Pheobe born in Providence 8yrs ago claims Ex Governor Spague as her God father; The late Dr Knight bishop of Milwaukee was godfather to Samuel a little tot of 3 yrs and Katie 6yrs has a Godmother Mrs Ernest Girad of Middletown Conn
From Boston Advertiser ( no date)

I tell you what not being rude but that made my eyes water 11 Pounds wow ouch that was one bigga baby lol

[deb usa]

Tiggi

Where is the post re ..Robert penfold ... ?

Great stuff you have...11 lbs ...eeekkkk 

I am looking for Unity wells ... but  Forgotten when she was born ....also Thomas Jeffery/Jeffs .... I wonder if esther Jeffs that I found in 1851 with Platen Buckland is related to Kezia and Thomas .... ummm

deb 

[deb usa]

Tiggi

Lots happening on my scavenger hunt ...now on travellers boards ... Colleena has a marriage cert which links the Smith side to my Penfolds 

Also have just reread some of mine and we have that Nelson Buckland was the s/o
Tenett Buckland who married Keziah SMITH .....


deb