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« Reply #90 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 15:13 GMT (UK) »
sorry people this may sound boring to some but its a subject close to my heart and I do go on sometimes lol
TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
 
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« Reply #91 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 15:45 GMT (UK) »
hey Tiggi  :D

You're not 'going on' ....it's all so fascinating ...just wish we could find them for you.  Tenet and Kezia had to be near or in Cornwall in 1851, as Tryphena was born St Blazey in 1852.  I have had a look through St Blazey ...usually going to the last couple of pages as that is where the Gypsies are written down ... haven't spotted any persons in Tents/caravans.

I wonder if they're camping out with my Penfolds in a field somewhere ? LOL  ;D ;D ... I think we should look at Devon and Cornwall for 1851.

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
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« Reply #92 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 15:51 GMT (UK) »
Afternoon all!

Had a quick scout through some 1851 fiche films this morning but no luck.

What you say about peoples attitude to gypsies is very true, but you know what half the problem is?

They are jealous of a free spirit!  Something they want as house dwellers but can never attain!

I want to be related!  I just can't find the link, in the paperwork - but I feel it in my blood and bones!

Su
Pat. side:Barker, Richards. Williams, Brewer, Chapman, Pascoe, Hill - St.Keverne, Redruth, Cornwall
Mat. side:Thomas, Richards, Viant  - Falmouth, Padstow,Redruth, Cornwall & Devon. Law - Cornwall, Wales and London

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« Reply #93 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 15:54 GMT (UK) »
Here is something to explain why gypsies went to USA : its exact from article in Brooklyn Eagle dated 1891
A Reporter asks Questions to a Gypsy Queen :
When asked as to why the Gypsies came to this country in such large numbers  a gypsy woman, said The wandering romany finds very little comfort in England at Present and if he pitches his tent on a stormy night he is liable to be ordered off and driven out in the storm with his family even at the dead of night. The Americans are gentleman and in hundreds of ways  they show to the poor gypsies a kindly spirit In England the prinicipal livelyhood of gypsies is horse dealing If a gypsy sells a horse to a farmer and the animal is wind broken he chases after the camp within a few hours with a writ, in america the shrewd yankee cheats the Gypsy but we do not complain on the other hand if we sell a wind broken horse to  an American he does not sneak off to a magistrate for a writ, he goes like a man and swindles somebody else with the gry ( horse)

 This may help explaiin about Gypsy marriages
 A Question asked again to Gypsy Queen
There is no happier Cermony than Wedding in a English   Gypsy Camp
Everyone turns up when a wedding takes place often gypsies from hundreds of miles around to witness and enjoy the wedding
 A Gypsy Twain must be bethrothed for 2 years and during that time the couple is forbidden to enter the vamp in each other;s company or have any clandestine meetings this custom is very strict and weddings have been broken up for breaches of etiquette that would be trival in eyes of society
the wedding festivities are nealy always celbrated in May with everyone attired in colourful costume
 When everything is ready the groom in his  handsome suit walks slowly down between long lines of Gypsies who wish him a happy wedded life in the romany tongue
At The end of the line of friends a broomstick bars his way and he jumps lightly over where his father or guardian is awaiting him the bride makes her apearence her pretty dress dress and looks are commented on when the bride reaches the broomstick she trips in the most natural manner the happy lover grasps in his arms and as he holds her so they are declared husband & wife
After this its many hours of drinking and feating to the newly weds
TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
 
AREAS OF INTEREST CORNWALL DEVON

USA   Worton Stanley Joles Cooper  Jeffrey Small
 all English lines of Roms who are found in America

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« Reply #94 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 15:58 GMT (UK) »
hey...don't apologise...it's important to you and i agree it's all the little every details that give us a bigger picture of how they really lived  ;D


it must be marvellous to have accounts in news papers to read.


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Cutcliffe- Devon
Courtenay Powderham Castle
Barnard -Oxford and Claines
Tollet - Begbroke
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« Reply #95 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 16:00 GMT (UK) »
hey Tiggi  :D

You're not 'going on' ....it's all so fascinating ...just wish we could find them for you.  Tenet and Kezia had to be near or in Cornwall in 1851, as Tryphena was born St Blazey in 1852.  I have had a look through St Blazey ...usually going to the last couple of pages as that is where the Gypsies are written down ... haven't spotted any persons in Tents/caravans.

I wonder if they're camping out with my Penfolds in a field somewhere ? LOL  ;D ;D ... I think we should look at Devon and Cornwall for 1851.

deb


LOLLOL Debs you could be right they maybe anywhere
IIlogan was a popular stopping place
TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
 
AREAS OF INTEREST CORNWALL DEVON

USA   Worton Stanley Joles Cooper  Jeffrey Small
 all English lines of Roms who are found in America

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« Reply #96 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 16:00 GMT (UK) »
the gypsy weddings in the south of france were very similar and they were fascinating to see and i loved their ceremonies




Debz
Cutcliffe- Devon
Courtenay Powderham Castle
Barnard -Oxford and Claines
Tollet - Begbroke
Gamble and Clement Calcutta
SHAW-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
WILD-BETHNAL GREEN,MIDDLESEX
GAMBLE-BARNSTABLE.DEVON

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« Reply #97 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 16:03 GMT (UK) »
Here is a Paper Report dated 1890 Salt Lake Utah (which confirms that  My family traveled across in 1886)
I was so lucky to be sent this one :

Titled life in a Gypsy Camp
GRP [Ch] ST [NJ] PLC [Fort Lee]
AB [ Camped on the wooded height back of Fort Lee, just across the river from New York City, It is a novel experience while walking along the Palisades to come suddenly upon the white tents and covered wagons. Views from the Palisades magnificent see Hudson for miles up and down, metropolis, sail-flecked waters of the sound, rising slopes of Long Island. On a Sunday place becomes picnic ground fro toilers (workers) from New York. Steamers and ferryboats set down their human freights at the little dock all day. Dancing pavilions, refreshment booths, merry-go-rounds well patronized.
It is natural that lovers should find way to gypsy’s camp, have fortunes told. For rest of week gypsies left pretty much to selves, visit camp Monday and you will find the women washing, dogs and babies rolling on grass, men strolling about grove with short pipes in teeth, eye on horses, men have little to say to strangers, When a boy I knew a Romany named Robert Wells born 1800. I regarded him with admiration, though I thought no doubt he was a rascal, his memory served to introduce me to the Fort Lee gypsies. When they learned I knew old Bob now 90, I was welcomed at once, These Gypsies had been in USA only 4 years The camp consisted of Tenet Buckland [Bucklin] his wife their 5 sons and families in all some group of size 30 persons, with 7 horses dogs a green parrot and excellent road outfit. The youngest son bears name of Plater Buckland probably after his remote ancestor [Plato Buckland] of whom the song relates:
 
Two Romany fellows were banished afar
Far away over the dark rolling sea
Lasho for robbing
And Plato for fobbing
The purse of a lady as great as could be
And when they came to the far -away land
The land that is over the dark rolling sea
One came to the Halter
But one at the altar
Soon married a lady as fair as could be
Would you like to know who the lady was?
Twas the lady whose purse he had stolen D'ye see?
For the chap had an eye
Black, witch-like and sly
And she followed him over the dark rolling sea.
 
Buckland is a man of more than ordinary intelligence and talks freely if you win his confidence, I asked if fortune telling is as profitable as before, No he responded with a twinkle , people know too much these days, We are all musicians, we entertain crowds with fiddle, can make $10-20 on a Sunday.
A gypsy can do a little of everything can shoe a horse, doctor a cow, mend a kettle, make baskets, clean a clock, snare birds and rabbits, sell a horse. Men and Women wear good clothes; there's strips of carpet and abundance of bedding in tents, food wholesome, cooking utensils clean, wagons are marvels of strength and convenience. Wagon body widens sufficiently above wheels to admit crossway's of a bunk with springs and mattress. Sleeping compartment in rear, shut off by curtains, forward are seats and lockers surrounding an open space, where in stormy weather a meal can be cooked and eaten in comfort. No people are neater and cleaner in many things than the gypsies.
Always wash table clothes in separate vessels, women careful not to let skirt of dress touch a pan containing food, since it would afterward to be considered unfit for consumption, For months after childbirth the mother is debarred from preparing food, Burial; we bury our dead in a cemetery wherever we happen to be, they are always kind to them. No gypsy would have his dead cremated. Garments of deceased generally burned, family fast, a mother in some instances never eats again the favorite dishes of her son. Religion: You will find gypsies who are Roman Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Heathens,
Marriage: Intermarriages with non Gypsies do and always will occur while human passions last. But we have our family pride and the Romany whose blood is pure is honored. I had my fortune told before Leaving.
 
TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
 
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USA   Worton Stanley Joles Cooper  Jeffrey Small
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« Reply #98 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Hope you don't mind me butting in and it might not be your family, but going back to message 11 I can confirm Missella Buckland daughter of George and Sarah Buckland  gypsies of Milton and Brickhill was baptised at Bloxham  Oxfordshire on 24/2/1833
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

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