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« Reply #108 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Some more Bucklands with familiar names....

1891 census
RG12/958; Folio 102; Page 13
Newnham Common, Basingstoke

Thomas BUCKLAND - Head - 31 - Tin man - Tadley, Hants
Britania BUCKLAND - Wife - 32 - Lasham, Hants
Penelope BUCKLAND - Dau - 10 - Scholar - Vernham, Hants
Nelson BUCKLAND - Son - 2 - Newnham, Hants
Trifenie BUCKLAND - Dau - 1 - Newnham, Hants
Mark VINCE - Lodger - 26 - Gen Labourer - Weston Patrick, Hants

Henry BUCKLAND - Head - 24 - Hawker - Tadley, Hants
Freedom BUCKLAND - Wife - 22 - Pamber, Hants
Richard BUCKLAND - Son - 3 - Pamber, Hants

According to a user-submitted IGI entry, Thomas BUCKLAND m. Britannia STOKES, 6 Jan 1881, Tadley.  (Thomas s/o Jabez BUCKLAND and Rebecca.)

They ought to fit in somewhere.... ;)

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« Reply #109 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Working backwards - Thomas and Henry at home with their parents on the 1871 census:

RG10/1246; Folio: 147; Page: 10
Tadley, Hants

Jabez BUCKLAND - Head - ?? - Tinman & Tinker - Sutton, Berks
Rebeca BUCKLAND - Wife - 36 - Stock Cross, Berks
Mary Ann BUCKLAND - Dau - 15 - Berks
Freedom BUCKLAND - Dau - 12 - Tadley, Hants
Thomas BUCKLAND - Son - 10 - Tadley, Hants
John BUCKLAND - Son - 7 - Tadley, Hants
Eliza BUCKLAND - Dau - 6 - Tadley, Hants
Henry BUCKLAND - Son - 5 - Tadley, Hants
Richard BUCKLAND - Son - 2 mo - Tadley, Hants


....and Jabez in 1851 with his parents:

HO107/1720; Folio: 637; Page: 28
Travellers' Carts, Bledlow Ridge, Aylesbury

Timothy BUCKLAND - Head - (?)40 - Traveller Tinman - Gt Missenden, Berks
Penelope BUCKLAND - Wife - 39 - Hendron, Berks
Jabez BUCKLAND - Son - 17 - Hawker - Sutton, Berks
Mary BUCKLAND - Dau - 15 - High Wycombe, Berks
Freedom BUCKLAND - Dau - 14 - High Wycombe, Berks
Liberty BUCKLAND - Son - 9 - Basildon, Berks
Trifena BUCKLAND - Dau - 7 - Sanderton, Bucks
Sarah BUCKLAND - Dau - 5 - Oxon
Richard BUCKLAND - Son - 2 - Basildon, Berks
Henry BUCKLAND - Son - 3 wks - Basildon, Berks

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ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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« Reply #110 on: Wednesday 20 February 08 22:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tiggi,
Been looking abouts for something other than Marlow. What is it that makes the Plato of Marlow not the brother of Tenet and or Thomas  :-\

I truthfully don;t know if he is related or not like most families you could be looking at another branch or possible uncle i don;t know sorry
The only thing I know for sure my Tenet had a brother Plato yes but he went nearly everywhere with him he was in USA in 1900
and again on Ship going back in 1904  with his brother Tenet  Although I have not found out where he died USA or England
But basically I know also there  isn;t any connection I know of to the Williams side who the Plato in Marlow was living with and looks like had children with
I would say its more likely he could be a Uncle or another branch of family its a very large family I can;t just accept if someone called /Buckland they are my relations not being funny  I do need to make sure I have proof before saying that;s one of mine lol
TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
 
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« Reply #111 on: Thursday 21 February 08 10:36 GMT (UK) »
did you consider the Plato Buckland marriage to Ann Hazard 23 July 1812 to be related? (Ellesborough Buckingham)
its pretty likely i think.



Caravans, Little Marlow, Buckingham 1881
PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1465 Folio 120 Page 42

Mootey HASARD M 45 M Head, Trawler And Dealer (Coster)
Emma W. HASARD 40 F Wife
Cidemente HASARD U 23 F Daur
William HASARD U 18 M Taplow, Buckingham, Son
Sally HASARD 13 F Ascot, Berkshire, Daur
Agnes HASARD 10 F Maidenhead, Berkshire, Daur
Mingo HASARD 8 F Reading, Berkshire, Daur
Ann Pella HASARD 16 F Oxford, Daur

Thomas FLETCHER M 40 M Head, Trawler And Dealer (Coster)
Gotilla FLETCHER M 40 F Wife
Frampton FLETCHER U 16 M Son
Vintine FLETCHER U 14 F Reading, Berkshire, Daur
Sarah FLETCHER 12 F Wycombe, Buckingham, Daur
Tommy Dodd FLETCHER 6 M Stokenchurch, Oxford, Son
Nathan FLETCHER 4 M Wood Cut, Oxford, Son
Providence FLETCHER 3 F Cane End, Oxford, Daur
Henry FLETCHER 8 m M Aylesbury, Buckingham, Son

Plato BUCKLAND 45 M (Head) Trawler And Dealer (Coster)
Ann WILLIAMS 45 F
Owen WILLIAMS 14 M Son
Jobey WILLIAMS 12 M Son
Motey WILLIAMS 10 M Near Henley, Oxford, Son
Nathan WILLIAMS 8 M Oxford, Oxford, Son
Albert WILLIAMS 4 M Reading, Berkshire, Son
Alfred WILLIAMS 13 M Thame, Son (slept from the van)
Mary Maria DORMER U 40 F Beaconsfield, Buckingham, Cook D Serv
 

here is a census record for the guy lol



even more likely now.
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« Reply #112 on: Thursday 21 February 08 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi toni
 I am not sure where I read this But I think Plato in Marlow may have have married the Ann Hazard woman, but he only lived with Ann Williams they are his children by her that I agree but that;s why they are called Williams not Buckland
remember back then it was expensive to get divorce so they just took another wife living together and either waited until spouse died before marriage or sometimes it was accepted by the tribe they were couple they never married offically never needed too

 I have another relation who is researching Fletcher family linked to Smith family will see what they think

I agree there has to be a link somewhere to this family but maybe its way back I don;t think Plato in Marlow is directly linked to my Tenet & Plato like brother or Father ( although have no proof)
TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
 
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« Reply #113 on: Thursday 21 February 08 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Toni
I just looked again at newspaper report I put on earlier about Tenet in USA 1890

"The youngest son bears name of Plater Buckland probably after his remote ancestor [Plato Buckland] of whom the song relates"

Tenet not only had a brother called Plato b 1839 married Eliza Small that I know, many of the children in family were named Plato
Also when they went to USA the ones who stayed there called by this name changed it to Clayton
Now going by this I think yes I have to agree Plato in Marlow must be a relation because I know fletchers are related to Buckland's too
So could it be that Plato in Marlow is maybe a Uncle or  distant cousin

I have this too which would confirm about Edward ( Ned ) Buckland who the experts say was a relation of Tenet & plato my family :

EDWARD BUCKLAND & DIANA SMITH
The family may have descended from an Edward Buckland, married to a Diana Smith; he was buried in the grounds of workhouse in 1845 aged 90 (born 1755) at Chinnor Oxfordshire
He had a daughter Tehanna & son Isaac, possibly more children, they traveled about Oxon, Oxfordshire and could have as many as 30 descendants attached to them.
Tehanna ( Tianne or Tianna)is a name that has been passed down through my own family, the last person to be given the name was my own father's eldest sister. This leads me to believe there has to be a connection somewhere as it was common practice by Gypsies to use the same names through family.
I was sent this: by a very good friend who has a site called ROMANYGENES
ISAAC BUCKLAND at Hawridge Bucks on Oct 24th 1831
"The procession to church being headed by four men playing violins and four girls beating Tambourines: and the witnesses to the wedding were Stephen and Mable Fletcher and Katherine Hearn, whose name possibly recurs in the entry "Hy. Illegitimate son of” Cathe Hearn, baptized at Marsh Ealdon in 1811.Isaac is no doubt
The Isaac Buckland son of Edward and Dianna Buckland, who was baptized at Gorsington? Oxon, and this couple had many other children baptized here and there in Oxfordshire, but curiously they were never described as gypsies or travelers, and are once or twice put down as labourer's .The presence of the Fletcher's at the wedding suggests, that Tehanna daughter of old (Ned) Edward Buckland, some of whose family settled at High Wwycombe who married John Fletcher at Nether Winchendon, was identical with Isaac oldest sister Dianna, baptized at Aston? Rowant? in 1785.though on that occasion again they behaved in a more gypsy way than one would have expected, as the wedding breakfast was held in an adjacent lane and was served up on solid silver plate and rare old china ,the father being "head of a tribe of gypsies" If this Ned ( Edward )is identical
With an Edward Buckland buried at Chinnor in 1845 aged 90, which is doubtful, Isaac would have been a nephew of Doctor Buckland, who married Solomon Hearn's sister Mary, but unfortunately Isaac died 3 years after his marriage at Great Rolllright, In Chiltern Oxfordshire and no memory of him seems to survive in the neighborhood
In 1822 I found this: confirms above statement of marriage:
At lower Winchendon Buckinghamshire by Rev T Hayton , John Fletcher was wed to Teannah Buckland daughter of Edward Buckland, head of a tribe of Gypsies, who have long frequented this part of Buckinghamshire
After the ceremony the party retired to a lane adjoining the village where they part took of an excellent dinner served partly on solid plate & part china.
The novelty of such a Banquet attracted a great number of respectable spectators.

ABRAHAM BAREDON BUCKLAND
Abraham Baredon Buckland born towards end of 18th century married Eleanor Smith she was daughter of Jonas & Constant Smith baptized in 1796 at Seend
Children were Dimiti & Mary, Prudence, I think this is a son or has been suggested a brother of Edward & Diana Buckland, which again makes me think that Tenant & Plato could well be his descendants or even grandchildren.
In my researching many people have sent me snippets they have found and it’s like a puzzle putting the pieces together, hopefully it will one day give me a clearer picture of my Family.

TENETT BUCKLAND & PLATO BUCKLAND ( MY LINEAGE)
  Buckland Smith James Stanley Lovell Loveridge Lee Cooper Penfold/Pinfold Orchard Boswell Broadway Wells
 
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« Reply #114 on: Thursday 21 February 08 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

You probably already have this - but I came across a 'Plato Buckland'
in the World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 whilst chasing something else this morning.
 
 Plato Buckland  Oneida

Not sure if of interest ???

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Pat. side:Barker, Richards. Williams, Brewer, Chapman, Pascoe, Hill - St.Keverne, Redruth, Cornwall
Mat. side:Thomas, Richards, Viant  - Falmouth, Padstow,Redruth, Cornwall & Devon. Law - Cornwall, Wales and London

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« Reply #115 on: Thursday 21 February 08 11:34 GMT (UK) »
it would be helpful if we could see it drawn out in a tree! but i lack the technology and brambletye is ill with flu (and haven't seen davidpinkney for a while i hope he is well)
do you have tree drawn up? (or does Deb)

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« Reply #116 on: Thursday 21 February 08 11:46 GMT (UK) »
morning folks ... :)


I have just read Tiggi's info .... so I want to bring this up again ...

I posted yesterday..re Timothy Buckland (b Wilts) and Tryphena Buckland (b Oxford , I think) .

 I found this on IGI:
TIMOTHY BUCKLEN
chr:  01 apr 1798   Seend, Wiltshire
Parents ~ Barington Bucklen and Charlotte

The Name Barrington ...seems to go with what you posted yesterday "Edward Buckland might be older brother to or even father of Abraham Barendon Buckland husband of Diana Smith
Plato & brother Tenant maybe descendants of this Edward & Diana Buckland"


Children of Barrington and Charlotte ;
DELPHI BUCKLAND ....chr~ 17 MAR 1805 Potterne, Wiltshire
PRUDENCE BUCKLAND chr ~ 15 JUN 1807 Edington, Wiltshire

Kushti bok
deb

 

I noticed  The names of Abrahams children ... Dimiti & Mary, Prudence and a mention of Doctor Buckland ....

On IGI there is this baptism;
TIMOTHY TURNIT BUCKLAND chr; 19 OCT 1806   Great Missenden, Buckingham
 born -  21 SEP 1806 
parents : Doctor Buckland and Mary 


could the Turnit middle name actually be someone spelling Tennet/Tenet?  I also think this is the christening of Timothy who married Penelope ... Manchester Rambler found them yesterday .

I def think Timothy and Prudence fit somewhere ...I know the Timothy = prudence is not the above christened Timothy ... but Timothy is the s/o Doctor Buckland ...so maybe Timothy is a family name too...


I hope I am making sense.

need coffee ... early morning here

deb

Hey ..Toni :) ... No I don't have a tree ...arrgghhh


Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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