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Re: One for Liverpool Annie
« Reply #72 on: Sunday 02 March 08 16:02 GMT (UK) »




 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Oh Tony ..... I thought it didn't seem right .... but I thought "well Tony said it "!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You're right ! .... black and white photos always put a different perception on things !!

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« Reply #73 on: Sunday 02 March 08 18:45 GMT (UK) »



Here's something interesting .... here's another Lancashire lad !!  ;D ;D ;D ( well he's buried there ... so he has to be !!  ::) )

The charge of the Heavy Brigade

The charge of the Heavy Brigade during the Crimean War of 1854-6 was successful but tends to be forgotten. Its leader, General James Yorke Scarlett, is buried at Holme Chapel near Burnley, Lancashire, and some of his weapons are in the local museum, Towneley Hall. In the charge of the Heavy Brigade at Balaklava, 600 men led by Scarlett routed around 2,000 of the Russian cavalry. Casualty figures were very low and the Russians in the end did not follow up the disaster which later that day - 25 October 1854 - befell the Light Brigade.

The British and French forces had begun the siege of Sebastopol on 17 October, and the attack on the British-held port of Balaklava was part of the Russian attempt to relieve the siege. There were three main actions in the Battle of Balaklava: the unsuccessful Russian cavalry charge against the 'thin red line' of British Highlanders, the successful charge of the British Heavy Brigade into the Russian cavalry, and the disastrous charge of the British Light Brigade. Julian Humphries of the National Army Museum explained that the Heavy Brigade was a grouping of cavalry units. It had six squadrons from the Royal Scots Greys, the Inniskilling Dragoons and the Dragoon Guards. The job of the Heavy Brigade was to smash through enemy lines and that is what they achieved.

North of Balaklava harbour is a ridge of hills, the Causeway Heights. These were defended by Turkish soldiers in six redoubts. On the morning of 25 October a huge Russian force attacked the Turks. Initially the attack was successful, the Russians captured some redoubts and pressed on. However, they were held up by the 93rd Highlanders under the command of Sir Colin Campbell. William Howard Russell, the Times correspondent described them as a 'thin red streak tipped with a line of steel' - later shortened to 'the thin red line'. The Highlanders drove off the Russian cavalry on their front, but 2,000 or so Russians came down the hill towards the British headquarters and the Heavy Brigade with its 600 men. Although heavily outnumbered, the Heavy Brigade made a charge uphill and within a matter of minutes had cut their way through the Russian forces who turned and fled.

Sir James Yorke Scarlett was the hero of the hour. He had been in the thick of the action and survived it with little more than a dented brass helmet. After the war he was made Adjutant-General and then Commander of the Aldershot Garrison. Later he moved to Lancashire where his wife's family lived. He became involved, not very successfully, in politics - he stood for Parliament but was beaten by the Liberal candidate. General Scarlett died in 1871, aged 72, and is buried in the churchyard at Holme Chapel. There is a story that his ghost, on horseback, rides in the grounds of his old home in what is now Thompson Park.

Tennyson wrote a poem about the Charge of the Heavy Brigade, as he had with the Charge of the Light Brigade. It was published 7 years after Scarlett's death.

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« Reply #74 on: Sunday 02 March 08 19:00 GMT (UK) »


And here's something from the Irish Times that may interest people .............

The Valley of Death
David Murphy remembers their efforts 25/10/2004

A fifth of the cavalrymen in the Charge of the Light Brigade were Irish !!
Most people now remember the Crimean War only for the medical mission of Florence Nightingale or the disastrous charge of the Light Brigade. More than 660 men -  114 of them Irish -  took part in the Battle of Balaclava's foolhardy cavalry charge. When the roll was taken after their ride through the Valley of Death at least 21 of the Irishmen were dead -  others were "missing", wounded or captured.

In 1854 Irish soldiers made up about a third of the British army -  it is estimated that more than 30,000 served in the Crimea, a peninsula between the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, in southern Ukraine. This was the first war in which the Victoria Cross, Britain's highest medal for bravery, was awarded -  Irish-born soldiers and seamen won 28. Master's Mate Charles Davis Lucas, from Poyntzpass, in Co Armagh, was awarded the first Victoria Cross, for throwing overboard a live shell that landed on the deck of HMS Hecla during a bombardment of the Bomarsund fortress, in the Baltic, in June 1854.

Many Irish civilians were also in the Crimea. When the war broke out a call was made for volunteers for the supply service (the Commissariat) and the medical services. Several Irish doctors offered to work in hospitals in Scutari, in Istanbul, where Nightingale was based, and Balaclava -  Irish nurses and nursing sisters worked in them too. Several priests, including two Dublin-based Jesuits, Father William Ronan and Father Patrick Duffy, also served in the Crimea, to help alleviate a lack of Roman Catholic chaplains. Irish engineers and navvies built roads and railways on the Crimean peninsula, led by two Irish chief engineers, William Doyne and James Beatty.

One of the most unusual aspects of Irish civilian involvement was the participation of members of the Irish Constabulary and Dublin Metropolitan Police, who worked as military police with the Mounted Staff Corps and with the Commissariat. Hundreds of Irishwomen also travelled to the Crimea, as each regiment allowed a small number of wives to accompany their husbands. They washed and cooked for the men and, after each battle, helped with the wounded.

The Crimean War was the first conflict to be covered by war correspondents, the most prominent being the Dublin-born William Howard Russell. It is unique in the history of war reporting, as the correspondents operated without censorship. Russell's reports in the London Times, which often told of shambolic supply and medical systems, resulted in severe public criticism for Lord Aberdeen's administration and for military commanders.

For the first time the public was given regular information on the management, or in this case mismanagement, of a war. Russell's despatches destroyed the reputation of the British commander, Lord Raglan, and played a part in the fall of Lord Aberdeen's administration, in January 1855. Among the few war correspondents in the Crimea were two other Irishmen: Edwin Lawrence Godkin, born in Moyne in Co Wicklow, and James Carlile McCoan, born in Dunlow, in Co Tyrone. Both wrote for the Daily News.

Irish families followed the war with great interest, as many had relations serving in the Crimea. There were street celebrations every time the newspapers reported a success. When the south side of the city of Sebastapol, home to a key naval base, was captured, in September 1855, there were celebrations around Ireland. These were repeated when an armistice was signed in Paris in February 1856.

Perhaps the most extravagant public celebration was the Grand Crimean Banquet held in Dublin in 1856. On October 22nd that year 4,000 veterans of the war and 1,000 members of the public gathered in Stack A at Custom House Docks for what must have been the largest formal dinner in Ireland. The guests ate three tons of potatoes, 250 hams, 200 turkeys, 200 geese and 250 joints of beef. Each soldier was given a quart of porter and a pint of port or sherry. Such a conspicuous display seems incredible -  just 10 years earlier Ireland was being ravaged by famine.

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« Reply #75 on: Sunday 02 March 08 19:01 GMT (UK) »


Continued !!

We still have physical reminders of the war, in the shape of monuments and even trophy guns. More than 20 Russian cannons were placed around Ireland after the war, including on the steps of the courthouse in Tralee and on the East Pier in Dun Laoghaire.

Yet although the government hailed the end of the war as a great victory, the Irish had become fully aware of the inadequacies of the army's commanders and organisation. Most of the British army's 21,097 deaths had been caused by disease -  only 4,774 soldiers were killed in action or died of wounds. Irish names feature prominently on the casualty lists, more than 7,000 Irishmen dying during the campaign.

Towards the end of the war Irish newspaper reports began to sound war weary, as it became increasingly obvious that thousands of Irishmen had paid for the army's lack of organisation with their lives. Many communities, urban and rural, had been destroyed. The parish of Whitegate in Cork, for example, lost 110 men. Thousands of casualties also returned to Ireland, in many cases to be cared for by their families. In others they were reduced to begging.

The Crimean War was, therefore, more than a footnote in our history -  from an Irish perspective it was one of the most important and traumatic events of the 19th century.


Interesting I thought !

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« Reply #76 on: Sunday 02 March 08 19:15 GMT (UK) »


Sorry ! .... I'm getting carried away here ... aren't I ??  :P :P :P

It's just that I'm finding all this stuff and I want to share it with you guys ........ !!

OK .... I'll be quiet for a bit ........ !!  :P

Sorry again !!

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« Reply #77 on: Monday 03 March 08 01:22 GMT (UK) »



Don't apologise Annie, we're ALL finding it so interesting.


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« Reply #78 on: Monday 03 March 08 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Mike gave us the url for Govonne but I can't read it !! http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Govone

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Use http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr to translate the page from Italian to English

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I used Google translate !  :)
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« Reply #80 on: Monday 03 March 08 22:47 GMT (UK) »
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