Convict ancestry?

[Lones]

I would love them to say come back - the drama of getting a visa!

Trish

    Good point Trish, but would you want to live there all year round??    Brrrrrrrrrr

Lones

[minnie222]

I know he was GULTY - he admitted it.

Funny how many ways one can spell Hibberd.  Hibbert, Hebbard, Hibbard, Herbert.  I had them all as a kid!!!

Looked for a guy with an easier name -  got it but even that gets spelled wrong!

A lot of names changes in our tribe, make it real easy.

[MarieC]

Oh, I think most of them did commit the crimes they were convicted of - trouble is, some of them were such minor offences for such a sentence to be imposed!

I haven't recently tried to go to England for longer than six months - but have never had any trouble getting into England!  Yes, the question is - would one want to stay there through the winter?? 

MarieC

[trish251]

    Good point Trish, but would you want to live there all year round??    Brrrrrrrrrr

Lones

I was spoilt - my almost 12 months in England was February- December & it was an early Spring - before the end of February the daffodils were out! It snowed a few weeks after we left.

MarieC - no visa problems for a stay of less than 6 months (although I have heard this may change) - but for longer than 6 months - took a few months to sort it.

Trish

[velcro]

Hi
My convicts were:

Edward French. Born 1826. Son of William French,arrived March 1854. Married 15 Apr 1863, York,to Mary Leahy, born 1837.
Mary (O) LEAHY arr. per" Mary Harrison" 24 Jun 1862 Daughter of Thomas Leahy. Born 1828.

Edward French: Single,farm labourer.Convict of Chelmsford. 4 Mar 1850.Burglary, previous convictions.
10 years arr" Sea Park" 5 Apr 1954 (2850) TL. 5 Apr 1854 Exp. June 1861.

Sea Park, departed London, England, 1 January 1854, and arrived in Fremantle, Western Australia, 5 April 1854.

Father of the above:

William French: married, innkeeper. Convicted in Oxford, 13 Jul 1850, burglary. 7 years covicted; sent to Australia per" Pyrenees", 28 Jun 1854. 615 T/L 28 Jun 1851 C.P Jun 1853.

Pyrenees, departed Torbay, England, 2 February 1853, and arrived in Fremantle, Western Australia, 30 April 1853.

Samuel LAW: Parkhurst lad. Arr per" Orient" 20 March 1848, Western Australia. Left Parkhurst 23 Nov 1947.(England) For 3 years, June 1848 was indentured as a farm servant to William HOWELLS.
Received a good report for the following December.

Marrried 20 Mar 1852 Mandurah.W.A.

Convicted "stealing a Purse and six Pounds of Money" - Stafford on 6 Mar 1845.
Sentenced to 7 yrs Transportation. Sent first to Millbank then to Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight. Then to W.A. as an Apprentice Coach Worker per "Orient".

Arr W.A. 23 Mar 1848. Served several masters over next several years (Had difficulties with masters). AJCP reels 441 - 449 (CO18/58 etc). Spent time as a "Puller" with the Harbour master (Oar Puller) & as a Sawyer with Yelverton.


Father of the above:

William French: married, innkeeper. Convicted in Oxford, 13 Jul 1850, burglary. 7 years covicted; sent to Australia per" Pyrenees", 28 Jun 1854. 615 T/L 28 Jun 1851 C.P Jun 1853.

Pyrenees, departed Torbay, England, 2 February 1853, and arrived in Fremantle, Western Australia, 30 April 1853.

Samuel LAW: Parkhurst lad. Arr per" Orient" 20 March 1848, Western Australia. Left Parkhurst 23 Nov 1947.(England) For 3 years, June 1848 was indentured as a farm servant to William HOWELLS.
Received a good report for the following December.

Marrried 20 Mar 1852 Mandurah.W.A.

Convicted "stealing a Purse and six Pounds of Money" - Stafford on 6 Mar 1845.
Sentenced to 7 yrs Transportation. Sent first to Millbank then to Parkhurst on the Isle of Wight. Then to W.A. as an Apprentice Coach Worker per "Orient".

Arr W.A. 23 Mar 1848. Served several masters over next several years (Had difficulties with masters). AJCP reels 441 - 449 (CO18/58 etc). Spent time as a "Puller" with the Harbour master (Oar Puller) & as a Sawyer with Yelverton.


Assizes Records for 1853 Prisoner Records:

Entry 15 for the Lent Session 1853:
John PAGE setting fire to cow house at Hornton, Oxfordshire, England. Aged 22 yrs.
Date of warrant for arrest:1 March 1853.
Trial at the Lent Assizes for the County of Oxford, Holden at the County Hall, Oxford. Thursday, 3 March 1853.

John PAGE was indicted on 4 accounts.(Oxford Assize papers 1853.)

15. Felony = 15 years Transportation.

John was transported in a married state & left behind    1 spouse &  one child - Esther PAGE nee UPTON & John Henry PAGE b.  24 Oct 1852.Oxford, England.

JHM PAGE was trasported without his family.

Either Esther remarried or returned to her home village with young John Henry & never saw JHM PAGE again.

Velcro

[Angel Eyes]

Well, I'm only about 5 years too late but I just found this, lol. I have 10 convicts - 5 Irish and 5 English. The youngest was 13 year old William Leeming from Preston, Lancs. He later married Mary Curran who was transported herself at the age of 16 from Galway.I have 2 sisters sent out a couple of years apart from Cork, Ireland. Catherine was sent to VDL in 1852 and Bridget (my 3xg GM) followed 2 years later. Although they both ended up in Tassie, I have no idea if they had contact with each other once there. Bridget herself married a convict - George Brown and they moved to Victoria. I'm currently researching my Halfpenny family from Tipperary. Thomas and wife Mary (4 x g GP's were both sent out to VDL, although separately, and Mary was accompanied by 5 of their 6 daughters. Their daughter Ellen, my 3 x g gm married John Smith, a convict from Worcestershire. Then there is Edward Rhodes, whose wife and child both died whilst he was incarcerated, and he remarried in VDL, only to have his new wife also die at quite an early age, although she did give birth to 2 daughters first, one of them being my line.
The last of my convicts is Charles William Smith who was the only one not sent to VDL, but ended up in Fremantle upon his arrival in Australia. I have to say though, that the English convicts are far easier to research than the Irish. Although the Irish convict records are just as immaculately kept as the English, it is harder to find information on them prior to their arrest, and also a lot more expensive.

[Lones]

Hi Angel Eyes, I have PM'd you.  We have convicts in common.....

Cheers

Lones

[deeiluka]

Some years on and I can now lay claim to a convict....at least on behalf of my children!   

Edward Tuckwell, brickmaker, aged 19, transported to Tasmania in 1828 on board the Roslin Castle for 7 years for stealing 7 fowls.

By the 1840s he was in South Australia, and the story from there is a tangled web indeed!         


Dee   

[tedscout]

Dee I found a convict for hubby who ended up in South Australia. The family thought he was a free settler. He was apprenticed to a surveyor who surveyed the rivers - and obviously the rivers didn't stop at the borders so when the surveyor entered SA our convict was given a free pardon because there were no convicts in SA.

Our convict conveniently forgot how he got here until I found him on "The John" at the age of 13.

So keep looking at unravelling that history. Until the mid 1990's I found that most people tried to hide their convict ancestors.