Birstall or Birkenshaw?

[davidurk]

 Confused of Manchester!!

My ancestors Ellisons who were woolstaplers, a colliery owner, a turnpike surveyor and were listed as gentry (where did it all go wrong!) came from Birkenshaw, were married and some are buried in St Pauls graveyard.

I have some info on them but according to censuses back to 1841 sometimes they listed the place born as Birstall and sometimes Birkenshaw. Is this one and the same place or very close?

One family lived in Threelands house which was on Birkenshaw Lane and brothers or sisters lived a few houses along the same road. Did this  lane change to Bradford Road or am I getting confused?

I have googled Threelands as it was a big house and it comes up as the HQ for W York ambulance NHS. I don't know if this is one and the same place.

Can anyone shed any light for me please

Karen

[mmm45]

Hi
Birkenshaw used to be in the parish of Birstall....Doubt it is now but they arent very far away.Threelands is now the home of West Yorks Ambulance HQ its a big place and im sure it used to be an old peoples home before that.But Birkenshaw Lane and Bradford road are NOT the same.
Ive come across the name  Henry Ellison in my research Yorkshire Tar Distillers at Moorend Cleckheaton  was owned by the Ellison family as was another chemical works in Heckmondwike (White Lea it blew up in 1916) he eventually retired to Morcambe.

I live close by if you have any more questions.

Ady

[davidurk]

Hi Ady

Thanks for replying.
I havent got a Henry Ellison in my tree so far, but I havent come that far forward in the 1800's yet. I only have direct and a few aunts and uncles along the way, so will check but some of the Ellisons did live in Heckmondwike.

Do you know where I could get a photo of the Threelands that is still standing West Yorks Ambulance HQ? I have a photo of it in 1903. This was definately on Birkenshaw Lane Birkenshaw.

Another link is that some of the Ellisons lived in Grange over Sands which is near Morecambe.

Karen

[mmm45]

Karen
I took a drive past today and the area which i thought the house stood is now a building site!! there are a lot of development  going on  up there.I drove down Birkenshaw Lane  and across onto Old Lane and that would have taken you pretty much straight  to Threelands The area there has some big houses which were on a par with Threelands....

I used to go up that area as a kid 25 yrs ago but wow its changed loads!!

I think its the same family Ellisons from Grange Over Sands way. My grandma was friends with some Ellisons in Cleckheaton and thats how she met my Grandad he moved down from Kirkby Lonsdale to work at the Ellison Chemical Works at Moorend.


Theres an Alfred Ellison on the Hunsworth and Birkenshaw Great War Memorial. an original Bradford "Pal" 16/855 Is is service number born in Birkenshaw Killed in 1918.

Ady

[davidurk]

Ady
Thanks again for info.
I am so pleased at least I know that the building is now no more! Been wondering about this for the last 4 years. I live in Manchester so it is a little far to check out.

My Ellisons all lived in large houses along from Threelands, they all had plenty of money so perhaps those houses you saw were connected to my people.
Between 1910 and 1920 there was a Colonel Anderton living in Threelands and then another mr Ellison but he had no connection to my Ellisons..coincidence.

oops, I think I got it wrong, some Ellisons were not from Grange over sands, but Kirby Lonsdale! Levens Hall.

Just checked other info Hartlington Mill in Bradford was managed by Benjamin Beaumont -Ellison for the Ambler family in 1800's. He eventually married a daughter Mary I think. They were one of the family of Ellisons who lived at Threelands.

Has anyone heard of this family?

I will check out Alfred and Henry Ellison to see if somewhere they are a link to me

thanks again
Karen

[mmm45]

Hi The Andertons were a big family around here in the 1890s-1930s
Re: Kirkby Lonsdale if you ever find a link between a Margaret Tallon( she married William Taylor both born c1892) and the Ellisons could you let me know as family rumour has it thats how my grandadWilliam H Tallon and his brother in law John Willan  moved down from there to Cleckheaton in 1919/1920



Thanks

Ady

[jutland3]

I noticed a post about the Ellison family of Threelands, Bradford Road, Birkenshaw. My husband's  grandfather had a sister who married Francis Beaumont Ellison and lived at Threelands. They appear in the 1911 Census with 8 of  a family. If this is your line I can  send a pic of the  lady and more info.

[dobfarm]

Answering your original question

Start years of parish registers for baptisms

Birkenshaw, St Paul      1832   

Birstall  parish                           1558


Therefore your family in 1841c ?? or later censuses could be either depending on year of bapt and abode. Pre 1831 baptisms would be in Birstall parish - Sub chapelry Birkenshaw or abode Birkenshaw
Also Birth place was not always the same place as the baptism parish, census usually give place of birth and the 1841c usually just give county of birth.

My granddad was born in Harthill Nottinghamshire  Dec 1867 baptized in Wales village parish Yorkshire Jan 1868 and his brother born Nov 1868 Harthill Notts bapt Scarcliffe parish Derbyshire Dec 1868
Harthill and Wales village are about a mile apart each side of the county border and Gt Granddad moved from Harthill to Scarcliffe Dec 1868.

So things arn't always what they seem in the  census years.

[davidurk]

Hi Jutland 3
I have Francis Beaumont Ellison in my tree. He was my 2nd cousin 3x removed. He married Maria Hunter in 1900 and when widowed married her sister Barbara Hunter in 1922. His great grandparents were John Ellison and Hannah Wilkinson. They were my 4 x greatgrandparents.
I have portraits of both of them and other info.

Hi Dobfarm
thanks for the info re Birstall and Birkenshaw, it has been confusing but I will look at my info along with the info you gave me and see where I go from here.
Many thanks

Karen