Cleughbrae , mouswald

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last nights william is too old i think i might have him this morning on the 1779 birtths 2 williams william son to william kerr and mary dickson in cleuchbrae born july 22nd baptized the 23rd        the very next birth william son to oswald kerr and may young born august 19th baptized 22nd no address   is oswald a brother of william have not seen much about him csc

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Evening csc just completed a bit of research centred around Cleughbrae census 1841. William Kerr son of William Kerr born 1789 d. 30/4/1824 not the miller. Now I turn to Joseph Kerr linen weaver aged 67 in 1841 married to Janet Kerr( her maiden name could be Kerr) she was 68 he d. 16/7/1847 and she d. 11/5/1842    William Kerr the miller was born in 1789 and died in Dec.1845 aged 56 he was married to Martha Mcall as you know they had Joseph who was born 1843 curious that he named his son Joseph maybe the birth year of Joseph senior is wrong. Incidentally Martha Mcall in the census of 1841 is living in the outhouse of Mary Kerrs (m.s. Slater) farm she is 15. After Mary Kerrs husband Thomas Ker died at the Stoop she moved to Cleughbrae.  There is a Margaret Kerr of independent means living in Cleughbrae she is aged 68 born around 1773. I think it is entirely possible that we do not have all the names of children born to James Kerr and Martha Moffat, his brother William and his second wife Mary Dickson and that Joseph born around 1774 married to Janet Kerr could be a son to either or there could be a missing brother who fathered Benjamin and Joseph. regards stoop.

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ive got martha mccalls details there is another little georgina with a boyd mother living there named george kerr as being childs father probably the one at the farmhouse she moved to cummertrees with her mother next census  matha mccall moved to langholm for a while with her next husband i have her death cert she had a few more children am trying to find jean born around 1846 i think i may have found young joseph in cockermouth with a wife jane 2 children john and sarah worked as a corn miller and provision merchant died aged 49 yes i think we do not have details of all the kerrs born cleuchbrae including my george there is a mary dickson in the oprs died there 1939 fits in with francis  and ann being there  ann also has a little boy with her cant find his birth but now that we are finding more i am wondering if that childs father could be robert wright who is working away in norfolk as a drover with her brother robert again found in the census  these kerrs are a puzzle ive got a few of the birset ones in order so now i am trying to untangle cleuchbrae also do you think mid dargavel kerrs and dalry kerrs\are related ther both have a john lorimer kerr  the ones in dary were originally at brocklehurst and mid dargavel were at satinhurst i have not found where that is yet but i have seen it on other births csc

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Morning csc , just a quick response to latest George Kerr son of Mary Kerr in the farm house certainly got around first with little Georgina in 1840 and with George and James in 1844 and 1846 later when he married he had five more children. regards stoop.

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georgina kerr natural daughter of -----boyd was born 11th april 1840 baptized 25th june mother being ----g kerr who was accuse by her -------    in 1851 sheis at cummertrees with her mother agnes and a sister named mary ann dunbar aged 1 address is hen - nest   //? CSC

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Hi csc ref. George Kerr he had two sons to Margaret Irving in Mouswald, James born 25/2/1846 and George born 10/4/1844 James was brought up with his mother and her parents while George lived with his grandmother Mary   Kerr( Slater) at Doweel farm. George was employed as a brewery traveller living initially in Annan where he married Ann Pool a farmers daughter by 1861 they were resident at 1 Dacre st. Carlisle they already had the following children William born 24/3/1856, Mary Jane born 1858 both at Bridgend Annan, then Janet in 1859 and Martha in1861 both in Carlisle finally there was Francis .G. in1866 by then George senior had died and in the census of 1881 they are living quite comfortably I think at 49 Chiswick st. Rickergate Carlisle Ann was described as an annuitant taking in boarders who were themselves of independent means. The girls lived at home still and were school mistress/ governesses. Ithink that Francis was a girl and G was Georgina, she never knew her father it certainly would be interesting to read his will if he left one . George senior died when he visited his mother at Doweel cause of death aporplexy( a stroke). regards stoop.

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yes george was maybe a good looking man with plenty of chat up lines  csc

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does anyone know anything about agnes irving died 1769 aged 40 first wife of william kerr who died 1800 his second wife mary dickson        did william and agnes have any children csc

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marriage april 1850 dumfries   david kerr farm servant of thid parish and mary kerr troqueer  csc