We have a problem

[avm228]

A slight caveat to what I said about William and Jane's apparently childless first two decades of marriage...

There are these two children with multiple given names in the family's apparent style who were born and died in the Midlands (Nottingham area - not so far from Leicester) between the 1871 and 1881 censuses, so can't at this stage be ruled out as children of William and Jane (but can't be ruled in either):

William Carlyle H NEWICK b Jun 1873 Basford 7b 152, d Dec 1877 Nottingham 7b 167 aged 4

Blanche Agnes F NEWICK b Jun 1874 Nottingham 7b 288, d Jun 1874 Nottingham 7b 142

Still, even if they were William and Jane's children - a huge gap to Ivy's birth in 1892.

Anna

[sft456]

Maybe the children (or the youngest 3 at least (hence the different place of birth from Ivy) were adopted by Jane and taken on by Lois after the former's death in 1898. The children take on the name Newick, naturally, and Lois doesn't actually marry William - hence no birth records or marriage record and William is described as a widower in 1901. Lois takes on the position as a sort of surragate mother (of course it is possible that Lois was married to a Mr Milne and still married, though separated, so marrying William was not on the cards)

The 2 children you mentioned may well have been theirs, and it is quite possible that the pain of losing them so young was too much for Jane, so she accepted providence until........

I have never seen William Christmas, but the other 2 boys were similar in looks (tall) whilst Ivy was small

However I still don't know who Milne was or Lois's official status but I am still convinced that they cannot possibly be her birth children - not while Jane is still living (assuming she died in 1898)

Till tomorrow

Simon

[sft456]

Hello Willow 4753

Can you tell me how I put a post on the Leicestershire board with a link to my topic on rootschat?

Simon

[Tati]

I've just added the link to this thread on your new post, Simon 

[sft456]

As an update to this riddle - it would seem that Lois married a Mr Milne probably in 1892 and then produced 3 boys in his name.

By 1901 she and the 3 boys had moved in with Ivy and William (I think Ivy is a Newick judging by her birth details so William and Jane's child)

I can find no reference to a Milne. As Lois is down on the 1901 Census as married and Head, we must assume they parted. William is recorded as a widower in Norwich, so it is clear Lois and he were never married. He died in 1903 and she was left holding the babies for the second time.

In 1918 she remarried under the name Newick to a Charles Walker  The children have always been known as Newick and none of us has been any the wiser.....until now. This is the first time that I have found out that my Mother. her Brother and their parents and descendants are called Milne not Newick.This is what can happen when researching your family tree

[Tati]

There isn't any evidence that the children were born in the surname Milne (no birth registrations found in either name). We can't find a marriage for Lois to either Mr Newick or Mr Milne, but she remarries as Newick. (Logically, if she was previously married to a Milne, she'd have married in the name Milne).

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Simon

I really think you need to get Ivys birth certificate to sort this puzzle out. That way we can confirm who Ivys mother is - either Jane or Lois - and we can confirm we are looking for the right William Newick because you actually haven't told us where your information comes from that he is connected to this family

Its really bugging me that we can't find any registrations for the three boys births or any marriage for Lois prior to 1918

Willow x

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Simon

Have you had any breakthrough on this connundrum?

Willow x

[sft456]

Hello Willow x

Just browsing and saw your thread.

Ivy Blanche L Newick was definitely Jane and William's daughter from her birth cert.

I have asked Kathleen, daughter of the second boy Louis Gladstone Milne to purchase either her father's birth cert or that of one of the other 2 boys, to confirm their parenthood

Lois Rebecca's surname Milne remains a mystery and frankly I don't how we are going to find out why it's there. However in the 1891 Census she was living with her parents as Lois Rebecca Duckworth but by 1901 was trading under the name of Milne. Somewhere between the two are the records we need. (I though I came across a record of a marriage in 1892, but can't remember where) Someone informed me that in 1901 she was a widower, but I can find no mention of this on that Census. So what's with the Milne?

Her association with William is obvious in that she is at home (probably his) with at least one of his children, acting as Head) whilst he is in Norwich. How the two became associated I know not, especially considering their age difference)

Is it possible that the 3 boys are theirs whilst Jane is still alive? (I hope the cert will show)
We don't know when Lois became involved with William (somewhere between 1891 and 1901)

After William's death in 1903, Lois was saddled with 4 children and went to live with her mother (not that she received much solace or help from her) It wasn't until 1918 when she remarried that her struggle was eased

Simon