Milne family history - (2)

[beansgram]

hi tom   the igi list an extracted record for birth of robert milne 10-3-1846 at abbotshall fife to james milne and mary elder same family because the other children are the same as in your post..   beans

[tommacgregor]

Hello "Beans",

Many thanks for your additional name to add to the family of James Milne and Mary Elder. Yes, there is an extracted birth record for Robert Milne dated 3rd October, 1846, and that slots in very nicely to the list of his older siblings.

In a previous posting, I stated that James Miln (note spelling!) married Barbara Anderson at Arbroath and that their eldest son, James Miln(e) was born on 16th July, 1814. I also said that that this James married Mary Elder on 4th August, 1834.

Shock Horror! The International Genealogical Index/British Isles states:

     James MILL. Male Marriage
     on 04 MAY, 1834 at Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland.

Well, is this where the "stuff-up" on the Death Certificate came from? Now we see the surname, MILL, rather than the correct name of MILNE.

I think that I have every right to say that the comments that I made about
Eliza Strang marrying James Milne and NOT James MILL were perfectly correct. Wouldn't you agree?

Now we can sit back and wait for the flood of comments crying "FOUL!"

Kind regards,


Tom.

[sancti]

Marriage record from SP

04/05/1834 ELDER MARY married JAMES MILL at Abbotshall /FIFE

births from SP

1 12/03/1839 MILL THOMAS born to JAMES MILL/MARY ELDER Markinch /

2 03/10/1834 MILNE ELIZA born to JAMES MILNE/MARY ELDER Abbotshall /

3 14/02/1840 MILNE JOHN born to JAMES MILNE/MARY ELDER  Abbotshall   

4 10/09/1836 MILNE MARJORY born to JAMES MILNE/MARY ELDER  Abbotshall   

5 18/02/1838 MILNE THOMAS born to JAMES MILNE/MARY ELDER Abbotshall /


As you can see there was a Thomas born to James Mill in 1839 and a Thomas born to James Milne in 1838.

Are they the same father?

[tommacgregor]

Hello "Sancti",

Many thanks for your most welcome information that relates to the MILNE/MILL question. I had noted that the time between births had been around 20 - 28 months prior to this revelation about Thomas MILL being born on 12th March, 1839, but I have stated that I wouldn't get into the "birth patterns" discussion again! The sudden switch to just 13 months, although perfectly feasible, does make one think.

One wonders what the entry on the Death Certificates, (if there are any), would tell us. Not being too conversant with SP, I'm not even sure that if the earlier Thomas had died in infancy, there would be a Death Certificate for that period in time, i.e. 1838.

It really is a bit confusing however we look at the whole thing, and for other researchers out there, shaking their heads in disbelief at the problems that keep surfacing. However, it helps to keep us on our toes, I suppose.

Kind Regards,


Tom.

[kirky]

Hi Tom,
The Milne family as you have mentioned are my ancestors through there daughter Mary born 1854 she married John Bain in Kelty,Fife their daughter Mary Bain was my greatgrand mother,The Elder family were from Ballingry also in Fife Mary Elder was the daughter of John and Elizabeth Elder nee Henderson they owned and ran a farm in Abbotshall called Bogie Parks.

[tommacgregor]

Hello "Kirky",

Just to say how much I appreciated seeing your posting. My word, your references to Kelty and Ballingry was like taking a walk back in time. Kelty isn't all that far from Cowdenbeath and Lumphinnans, and that's where I used to go at weekends when I visited my relatives. Ballingry is also a place that I still think of. I used to walk over the Benarty Hill from Ballingry and look down on Loch Leven, What a truly beautiful spot!

I would greatly appreciate any further information that you may have about the Elders and the Bains. When you read through my postings, you will see a massive amount of Surnames that may spark off a recognition.

Oh, by the way, that name, "Kirky". My Gran had a very good friend called Jean Kirk who lived with her family at a Place called "the Chapel", I think. It was between Kirkcaldy and Cardenden.

Lovely to communicate with you.

Kind regards,


Tom.

[tommacgregor]

Hello "Kirky",

Thanks to Pam, the Moderator, I think I've got the hang of what I'm required to do on posting information. This Old Dog is really capable of learning new tricks - and I'm not kidding. Seriously though, Pam does a really fine job, and I'm indebted to her.

For the benefit of everybody out there, William Hepburn and Ann Birse were my Great-Great-Grandparents, and hailed from that little town that nestles at the foot of the Lomond Hills in Fife, - Leslie. They married round about 1838, (don't crucify me because I haven't got the exact date!). They had the following children:

Margaret Hepburn born 4th May, 1839 at Leslie, Fife.
David Hepburn, (my Great-Grandfather), born 15th August, 1841 at Leslie.
William Hepburn born 16th April, 1842 at Leslie.
Mary Hepburn born 2nd May, 1844 at Leslie.
Andrew Hepburn born 1st March, 1846 at Leslie.
Anne Hepburn born 21st June, 1848 at Leslie.
James Hepburn born 21st March, 1851 at Leslie.
Francis Hepburn born 16th December, 1852 at Leslie.
John Hepburn born 15th October, 1854 at Leslie
Joseph Hepburn (I've mislaid his birth details!)

Now, the bit that should interest you "Diddy", and perhaps "Beans", the Margaret Hepburn shown above, born on 4th May, 1839 at Leslie in Fife married George Elder on 12th March, 1858 at Leslie when she was about 19 years of age. Maybe you could let me know, when and where George was born, and who his parents were, since they are part of your family.

Gee! Am I glad to get all that off my chest. Talking about chest's. My long-suffering wife, has applied the Vick liberally, and my home office reeks of the stuff.

Again, very many thanks to Pam, the Moderator, and you for the terrific assistance that you continue to give.

Kind regards,


Tom.

[sancti]

Possible birth record for Joseph

1857 HEPBURN JOSEPH M LESLIE /FIFE


Another marriage record for a Hepburn in the area

03/12/1849 HEPBURN WILLIAM MARY BRAID/ M Leslie (Fife) /FIFE

[tommacgregor]

Hello "Sancti",

It's great to hear from you again. I was just typing in some new information about my Great-Great Grandparents, William Hepburn and Ann Birse. I showed Joseph Hepburn as their last child to be born and so your informtion about Joseph certainly looks as if it fits into place very well indeed, i.e. the year and the location.

Many thanks for that and I'm feeling quite a bit better. Warm regards to your family.


Tom.