Barron/Paterson *completed with thanks to Monica & Ellen*

[monkeymagik]

Hi, I wonder if someone could please help me with this.

James Barron Married Annie Simpson in 1874 @ 21 High street Macduff, he was aged 29 making year of birth c1845. His usual residence at this time 6, Clune Street Banff. His parents listed as James Barron (Farm Servant) & Jane Paterson not deceased.

James died 1917 aged 73 yrs, making yr of birth c1844. Usual residence Fife St Banff.  Parents James Barron & Jane Barron M.S Paterson. I can not find records for the birth of James (c1845), Marriage of his parents, or deaths of parents.

Would it be possible for someone to help me try & find any of the above records ie, birth of James or the marriage /Death of parents.( I'm not 100% sure that his parents ever actually married & so I have searched for Jane's death under surnames Barron & Paterson but can find nothing that I can confirm is her. ) I have some links in Census returns but  nothing concrete.  James appears to have been raised by other family members but even this info is not consistent.

1901 Census shows James Barron's place of birth as Gamrie, Banffshire c1845.

I seem to have spent forever & a fortune trying to figure this out, so before I need to re-mortgage my house to fund further unsuccessful searches on Scotlandspeople , I thought I better ask if anyone has any information re: my frustrating family!!!

Any help would be appreciated,

Thank you,

Regards,
Nicola.

[MonicaL]

Hi Nicola

Is this James in 1851:

Margaret Bowie    58, widow, Pauper Formerly Farmer, b. Rafford, Elginshire
Jane Bowie 22, daughter, , b. Edinkillie, Elginshire
James Barron 4, nephew, b. Edinkillie, Elginshire

Address:  Chapelhill, Edinkillie

Margaret above looks to have been originally BARRON (husband Thomas Bowie). If Margaret lived past 1855, her death cert might at least provide some clues about James Barron Snr's family.

Regards.

Monica 

[ellenbrora]

This is the same James Barron in 1861:

At 2 Smiths Lane, Nairn, a Woolen & Linen Draper's Apprentice

James Barron 14 
Alexander Grant 1 
Catherine Grant 3 
Daniel Grant 4 
Isabella Grant 7 
John A Grant 9 
May Smith 18

Does the occupation fit with your James' later occupation?  Birthplace is consistent as Edinkillie.

Regards

Ellen.

[ellenbrora]

OK - we have two seperate James Barron's here. Don't think the one we have in 1851 and 61 is yours, as he is in Inverness in 1881, married to an Isabella, a Newspaper Editor, still born Edinkillie.

While YOUR James Barron is at 13 Clunie Street, Banff with wife Ann and 2 sons, saying born Gamrie, Banffshire. And he's a Rope Maker.

Back to the drawing board.........

Ellen.

[ellenbrora]

Hi again Nicola

I see your problem!  Been struggling to find James jnr prior to his 1874 marraige.

I do have a very likely candidate for James Senior though.  I believe, as you mentioned above that James Barron and Jane Paterson did not marry. (although I can not trace young James under Paterson either so far
 )  There is a possible for Jane in 1851:

Jessie Paterson, 24 (c 1827), Marnoch, Banffshire, working as a house servant at Craigneen, Boyndie, Banffshire.

Back to James senior.  If indeed James and Jane/Jessie did not marry, this I believe is the most likely candidate for James:

1851, at Haddo, Methlick, Aberdeenshire

James Barron, 26 (c 1825), Farm Lab, b. Gamrie, Banffshire.

If this is him, he is relatively easy to trace

1841 - he is at Crook of Ness Street, Gamrie, Banffshire, age 18 (c 1823), a coopers apprentice, with parents Robert and Margaret, and siblings, Isabella,10, Margaret 8, Andrew 4, Robert 2 and Bathia 1. 
It may be coincidence, but there are some Patersons also living in Crook of Ness Street, George, 15 a fisherman, Ann 10, with an Ann Lyal, 30 a spinster.

He married Christian Dufftown/Dufton/Duftan, 04 June 1853 at Huntly, Aberdeenshire.

1861 - he is at Deveron Street, Huntly, Aberdeenshire with wife Christian and children Alexander & Theodore (twins) (b. 16 Mar 1853 @ Huntly), Margaret, b. 12 Feb 1856 @ Huntly, Robert, b. 29 Jan 1858 @ Huntly, Andrew (6 months)   (Ander there was a later child, Isabella, 11 Mar 1862).  James is now a Flesher.

He died 20 June 1905 at 24 Deveron Street, Huntly age 86 (c 1819). there is a note of his death in the Courant newspaper 30 June 1905. Page 5 Col 6.  see http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp

All of which is all very well - but we still have to tie him in to James jnr and Jane Paterson!!

Have another hour to spare so will have another rummage around before I have to go out.

Cheers

Ellen.

[MonicaL]

Well spotted Ellen    There are these possible entries for James Jnr.

I've given up with Ancestry's mis-spellings and now looking at FreeCen.  There is this entry which shows in 1851 (Ancestry have it as Barrow  ).  Everyone showing as born in Gamrie:

William Barron, 58, labourer
Helen Barron, 58
Elizabeth Barron, 18
James Barron, 8, nephew

Address: High Street 11, MacDuff, Gamrie

In 1861, from Ancestry, still showing on there as Barrow:

William Barrow    66, Retired Day Labourer, b. MacDuff
Helen Barrow    66, b. Gamrie
James Barrow 15, grandson, saw miller, b. Gamrie

Address: 18 Shore St, MacDuff

The closest I can see on the 1871, which sort of fits with James's occupation in the 1881 entry posted by Ellen, but the relationships don't make sense in the household.  Everyone showing as born in MacDuff:

Ellen Barron 42, Ag Labourer's Wife
James Barron 25, son, sailmaker
Alexander Barron 11
Mary I Barron    9
Georg Barron    2

Address: 2 Farlan St, Gamrie


Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Nicola

What was the occupation for James Snr. in his son's marriage cert?

Monica

[ellenbrora]

Hi Monica

I saw that family on the 1871 and had a look for a poss 1st marraige for James jnr (bit far fetched I know - but got to rule it out!). None that I can see.

The children in that household were born to:

Alexander:  1859 to James Barron and Helen Taylor
Mary Jane: 1861 to James Barron and Mary Taylor
George: Dec 1868 to James Barron and Mary Taylor

All showing as Banff on IGI.

Curioser and curioser!   

Ellen.

[ellenbrora]

Couldn't bear it any longer Monica - had to get the marr cert to know what we're working with!

James Jnr was a Ropemaker (Journeyman) at marraige.  James senior was Farm Servant.  Mother showing as plain Jane Paterson, no indication of marraige.

Witnesses: John Smith  (now I saw a Smith/Barron or Smith/Paterson somewhere on Ancestry, but can't now for the life of me remeber where!)
and H Munro, so no great help there.

Ellen.