1841 Wrexham census

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Although Richard Barlow show as being 'of this parish' at his wedding, he doesn't seem to have been born there. From a quick look at the IGI, Lancashire seems to be the most likely place of origin!

No sign of Dorothy's baptism either 

That time was a period of quite significant movements into the area. Two of my lines arrived in Chirk around then - from Shropshire and Staffordshire.


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No burials for them either 

However, I've just found two female Barlow marriages a few years after Richard and Dorothy's:

Feb 7 1783 - Charles Griffiths of Llanbadarn Fawr to Margaret Barlow (Licence) - one of the witnesses was Dorothy Barlow

Oct 11 1783 John Jones to Arabella Barlow - Banns

All the other references appear to be children of Richard and Dorothy.

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Hi and thank you all.

John Marshall Barlow was born in 1844 at the Red Lion ,Kings Mills, Wrexham.

His father Thomas married Sarah Marshall in 1837 but I do wonder if this was a second marriage as Sarah was much younger than him according to the 1851 census when they were in Liverpool.

Thomas married again whilst in Liverpool and after Sarah's death and on the marriage certificate his father was listed as James. I don't have any information on James at all.

A cousin several times removed (I'm not good at working out the numbers) believes that James was married in Chirk to Elizabeth.
She sent me this but to date I haven't been able to confirm, it would be great if either of you could help me . I think Richard may be related perhaps he was brother to James .

Thomas had many siblings all born in Wales Chirk
James married Elizabeth 13/6/1788
Mary 1789, John 1791, Catherine 1794, Sarah 1796, Elizabeth 1799, Richard 1801 Then they moved to Abenbury nr.Wrexham and Anne 1804 James 1805 and Thomas 1806.

Thanks
Gill

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The only Thomas baptised Chirk is:

9th June 1793 (born 1st June)  - Thomas Barlow to Richard and Dorothy, as above.

I have located an Arabella Barlow (see also above), as an IGI patron submission - 28th December 1756, The Forge, Staveley, Derbyshire. Parents James and Elizabeth Barlow.  This might well be where the family originated.

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I've just found a James and Elizabeth Barlow having children at the same time 

Here's the list -

13 Sept 1789 Mary (b. 17 August) - here it lists James as forgeman 
Nov 20 1791 - John (b. 27 October)
Jan 19 1794 Catherine (b. 4 Jan) - residence down as Halton (close to Pontyblew Forge!)
July 3 1796 - Sarah (b. 15th June)
17 Feb 1799 - Elizabeth (b. 18 Dec 1798) - now listed as the Forge 
1st march 1801 - Richard (b. 13 February) - Forge


Our families are most likely to have known each other and worked together 

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Added - James and Richard seem to have named their children similarly, so there must have been some relationship 

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Here's a picture of the Forge as it is today: the water used to flow down from the Brynkinallt area and through the Forge to the Ceiriog. It's now part of a garden, as you can see.

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and James and Elizabeth's marriage 

June 13th 1789:

James Barlow (made his mark) to Elizabeth Harrisson, both of Chirk, By Banns, Witness was Richard Davies (probably a Church Warden as he witnessed many marriages) and unknown.

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The Har(r)is(s)ons were at the Forge much earlier than the Barlows .

I have a possible bpt. date for Elizabeth:

31 March 1766  Elizth (b 14 March) to John (Forgeman) and Mary

 

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I've gleaned everything that I can from the Chirk Registers on the Barlows. Here is a summary - some of which is mentioned in previous messages. I would think that the four elder Barlows were siblings but we have no evidence.

Barlows in Chirk

Marriages
26 Dec 1780 Richard m. Dorothy Price
7 Feb 1783 Marbaret m. Charles Griffiths
11 Oct 1783 Arabella m. John Jones
13 June 1789 James m. Elizabeth Harrisson

Baptisms

Children of Richard and Dorothy
11 Nov 1781 unknown. b. 2 Oct
2 May 1784 Mary b. 23 April
26 Dec 1789 Robert b.22 Nov
30 April 1792 John b. 8 March
9 June 1793 Thomas b. 1 June
14 Aug 1794 Anne b. 13 July (as Barlo)
12 July 1799 James b. 9 July

Children of James and Elizabeth
13 Sept 1789 Mary b. 17 Aug
20 Nov 1791 John b. 27 Oct
19 Jan 1794 Catharine b. 4 Jan
3 July 1796 Sarah b. 15 June
17 Feb 1799 Elizabeth b. 18 Dec 1798
1 March 1801 Richard b. 13 Feb

Burials
19th May 1792 John Barlow. No age is given. It could be either of the Johns b. to Richard and James - 1791 or 1792.

Pontyblew Forge

During the time the Barlows were there, the lease was held by the Lloyd family of Plas Madog, Ruabon. In 1798 the lease was taken over by Francis Johnson.

I'll do a thorough search on the Harrissons/variations later today and put them up for you.

Regards

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