hi unsearch , can`t send personnal message on this site if you send me your e.mail via pm. I`ll get in touch . sister in law is daughter of ronald , youngest son of charles ,but I will have to ask her if she wants me to give any personal info out . do you know any more about the red lion inn ,at kings mills ,wrexham were john marshall barlow was born , and were did ELLIS come from in charles name ? lemondog