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Re: Lewes Invalid Prison
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 07 February 08 17:50 GMT (UK) »

Hi Gill !

I don't know if this is any good but I think you said your relative had been at Woking ( I've lost the plot !!  ::) ) .... didn't you ?? You might try the Black Sheep site also ... you never know !

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This is a free database online for the Woking Invalid Prison in Surrey ....  its an index of prisoners there for the year 1881.

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Re: Lewes Invalid Prison
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 07 February 08 18:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annie

No, sorry mine was dead by then he never actually got to Woking. He died at Lewes 1859 before the rest of his co-prisoners were sent to Woking but it is handy to know just in case I find anymore black sheep!

I did try Black Sheep some time ago to check their petitions cd (as he was sentenced to death there must have been a successful petition) but there was nothing.

Thanks all the same
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Re: Lewes Invalid Prison
« Reply #20 on: Friday 08 February 08 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

Just across the road from the the House of Corretion/Naval Prison/Goal is St Johns Sub Castro Church and churchyard, and it is here where many of the buildings inmates were finally buried.

As I spent about 3 years transcribing the burial registers, surveying the graveyard and then transcribing all of the 800 stones (all except 11 that were unreadable) it is interesting to note that it does show the changing face of the buildings inhabitants:-

In July 1802 we get the first reference to the 'House of Correction'
then in the following 45 years we get lots of references to men, women and children of all ages from the 'House of Correction' including 'Turnkeys' and 'The Master' till November 1849 when we have the last reference to 'House of Correction'

January 1852 sees the first reference to 'The Goal' or 'Lewes Goal' and then in December 1854 we have the first entry 'A Russian POW, The War Prison' - these entries go up to June 1856 after which the deceased are just labelled 'Convict Prison'  or 'RN Prison' or even 'Naval Prison' right up to 1881

As mentioned previously a memorial was erected by the Emperor of Russia to 21 of those prisoners who died whilst in the  Naval Prisoners - picture below.

Absolutely no reference to Invalid Prison - surely, someone must have died during that period? - yes they did; there are some 20 burials between 1857 and 1860 during the time when we belive it was an Invalid Prison - but they are all just labelled 'Convict Prison'

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Re: Lewes Invalid Prison
« Reply #21 on: Friday 08 February 08 11:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chris

Yes, my Nehemiah Gray on 1st Sept.1859 but if he is not listed under Convict Prison I don't know where he is buried.I will attach death cert.
 
It seems as though they used the term 'Invalid Convict Prison 'only to distinguish between it and the normal 'convict prison' where differentiation was needed.

 Although the fact that it was called 'Invalid Convict Establishment St.John's' on his death cert. would indicate that it was likely he was buried in St.John's Sub Castro'.

I wonder whether the National Archives records give details of deaths although I suspect they may just give numbers for statistical purposes.

That is really interesting though that the entries of the dead point so accurately to the uses of the prison.

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« Reply #22 on: Friday 08 February 08 11:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gill

Yes, I have got to agree with you - the Death certificate would suggest that he should be buried in St John Sub Castro - but he aint there.  There are NO convict burials in that yard during 1959??

The only person with the Surname Gray in that yard was a female named Jemima from the 'Cliffe' back in February 1804 - she has a memorial No 599

I notice that there was a coroners inquest - do you have a copy of the papers for the inquest?   They should be on file at the ESRO.

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« Reply #23 on: Friday 08 February 08 12:14 GMT (UK) »
Toni

That was one of the first places that we checked and the answer was NO

But, if you put in 'House of Correction' or 'Naval Prison' then the answer was YES through the A2A catalogue.



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Re: Lewes Invalid Prison
« Reply #24 on: Monday 28 October 19 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gill

Just a note to say thanks for your all your hard work looking at Nehemiah Gray he was also my 3x Great Grandfather on my Fathers side
Jenny