Name on marriage cert confusion

[Valda]

ANN TIPPIN HERBERT
Christening:  14 JUN 1805   Seaford, Sussex
Father:  THOMAS HERBERT 
Mother:  GRACE 

ANN TIPPEN HERBERT
Spouse:  WILLIAM BINFIELD 
Marriage:  15 DEC 1833   Saint James, Paddington, London

Deaths Sep 1849   
Benfield  Ann Tippen     Kensington  3 396

It might also be worth checking to see whether Robert's older sister Grace left a will as she died unmarried and was living with his son Charles for the latter part of her life (Grace was of independent means on the 1891 census in Lee Lewisham).

GRACE HYOTT HERBERT
Christening:  29 MAY 1802   Seaford, Sussex
Father:  THOMAS HERBERT 
Mother:  GRACE 

Deaths Mar 1901   
Herbert  Grace Hyatt  98  Lewisham  1d 708

In case anyone can find the other siblings these are their baptisms.

THOMAS HERBERT
Christening:  01 MAY 1800   Seaford, Sussex
Father:  THOMAS HERBERT   
Mother:  GRACE 

WILLIAM HYATT HERBERT 
Christening:  15 JAN 1804   Seaford, Sussex
Father:  THOMAS HERBERT 
Mother:  GRACE 

SUSANNA HERBERT
Christening:  22 DEC 1807   Seaford, Sussex
Father:  THOMAS HERBERT 
Mother:  GRACE   

EDMUND HERBERT
Christening:  21 FEB 1812   Seaford, Sussex
Father:  THOMAS HERBERT 
Mother:  GRACE 
 
Regards

Valda

[Valda]

If Robert did indeed marry twice as evidenced by his will

http://herbertfamily.me.uk/Herbertfamilytree.htm

have you checked his second marriage certificate to see what information is given about his father?

Regards

Valda

[Ann12]

Hi,

Thank you all so much for your help !!  Much appreciated 

According to Robert's first marriage cert his father was a Newspaper Editor as well.

Thanks for finding Ann Tippen Herbert's and George's details - I haven't been able to find anything on them, apart from their bith dates.  Armed with the info you have given I have another avenue to search - thanks again !

Robert did re-marry, 1 year after Margaret's death (she died in 1863, same month as the birth of their 17th child 

His children were sent to live with various relatives, including the older brothers and Grace Hyatt.  Robert died in 1869 leaving everything to his 2nd wife, there was no mention of his children in the Will.

As a bit of extra information, Robert and Margaret's first son, also called Robert, disappeared after 1851, I can't find any trace of him post the 1851 census.

Thank you all again.

Anna

[Ann12]

Hi,

One other thing, on the IGI lists Thomas Herbert ch. 1 May 1800, Seaford (father Thomas, mother Grace) as an extracted record, however Thomas and Grace were married on that day, I have a copy of their marriage registration as proof ?  I'm slightly confused by this 

Anna

[Just Kia]

If he were born out of wedlock then he may not have been bapt. until his parents marriage so that he would be bapt. with his father's name.

Just a thought

[Comosus]

Hi,

I have a marriage cert for a Robert Herbert in 1838, Lambeth London, his father is down as either Frederick or Francis, problem is, on every other document I have found the father is listed as Thomas, why a different name ?  Could there have been a reason why he would call himself something else on the marriage cert ?

Robert was the last child to be married it seems.  I can only find a marriage for one other sibling, however, when someone checked the St George, Hanover Square registers, the marriage wasn't registered, so I can't check for witnesses.

Any ideas ?

Thanks
Anna

Was the father of the groom also a Francis/Frederick?  I have the same case with my GGG grandmother's father, Patrick, who was put down as John on her marriage.  However, her husband's father was a John, so I think the registrar must've assumed both fathers were John, instead of just the groom's.

Andrew

[Gaie]

Hello Anna
Which parish church in Lambeth was Robert married in?  It should say on the marriage certificate.  It might be worth checking the parish registers which are held at the London Metropolitan Archives, I believe, to see if they differ in any way.
Kind regards

[suey]

IGI - controlled extraction

Thomas Herbert m. Grace Medhurst
1st May 1800, Seaford


Gadget

I looked on the Sussex Marriage Index for this marriage and found

Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence

25 April 1800
Thomas Herbert - subject detail - Bach 24+ mariner Seaford
Grace Medhurst - spouse detail - sp 18+ otsp wcof Robt.M clocksmith Thos a Beckett Cliffe Lewes

Sponsors: T.H.  John Holman yeo otsp - SRS 25

and the marriage at Seaford, East Sussex
1st May 1800
Thomas Herbert - bach and Grace Medhurst - sp botp (lic)

abbreviations - sp = spinster. bach = bacheolor - otsp = of the same parish. wcof = with consent of father. yeo = yeoman. SRS = Sussex Record Society and volume number

Suey

[Valda]

Not sure which of these marriages is the correct one but from Robert's will you presumably know his second wife's first name and can tell which is the correct marriage. On his second marriage what name and occupation is given for Robert's father?

Marriages Jun 1864   
Herbert  Robert Mayon    Croydon  2a 321   
Marriages Sep 1864   
Herbert  Robert     Colchester  4a 373   
Herbert  Robert     Windsor  2c 723

On his first marriage Robert may not have wished his new in laws to know his father was a mere mariner and elevated his father to a newspaper editor.

Regards

Valda