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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 03 February 08 23:46 GMT (UK) »
soldiers died has Thomas down as 9th battalion and CWGC as 1/9th,

he has a territorial number as well so i suspect you have confused 1/9th as meaning he was also in the first battalion. without getting too technical, it's just that the 9th was split into different battalions (1/9th, 2/9th and 3/9th) and he was in the 1st/9th

this means you don't have to be looking into the 1st battalions where abouts ;)



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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 February 08 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Brief History of Kings Regiment

The King's Regiment (Liverpool) was a regiment of the British Army. Having been formed in 1685 and numbered as the 8th in 1751, the regiment was one of the oldest in the army. As the city regiment of Liverpool, the King's was one of only three regiments affiliated to a city in the British Army (the others being the Royal Fusiliers and the Manchester Regiment). After 273 years of continuous existence, the regiment was amalgamated with the Manchesters in 1958.

It notably saw active service in the Second Boer War, the two World Wars, and the Korean War. Nine Victoria Crosses (VC) were awarded to the regiment, the first in 1900 and the last in 1918. An additional two VCs were awarded to Royal Army Medical Corps officer Noel Godfrey Chavasse, who was attached to the Liverpool Scottish during the First World War.

The regiment was referred to variously as L'POOL R, the Liverpools, KLR and the King's. The usage of "L'POOL R" and "the Liverpools" was most prevalent from the 1880s to the 1920s.

In 1881, under the Cardwell-Childers reforms, the British Army's structure was substantially reorganised: most regiments were amalgamated, given city or county affiliation and the regular, militia, and volunteer battalions were integrated into one regimental structure. Thus, on 1 July, the two battalions of the 8th (The King's) Regiment of Foot became the 1st and 2nd Battalions, The King's (Liverpool Regiment). The 8th King's had been associated with Liverpool since 1873, when the regiment was allocated to the 13th Brigade Depot in Liverpool. Many of the non-regular militia and volunteer battalions that existed in Lancashire and the Isle of Man became reserve battalions of the regiment. By 1908, the regiment was one of the largest in the British Army. Some of the battalions maintained individual distinctions, such as unique titles, cap badges, uniforms, and honorary colonels.

The 1st King's were based in North West England during the period of the army's reforms — its time there was not entirely peaceful. While based in Salford Barracks, Manchester, the battalion was subject to a bomb attack by "Fenians". The barracks sustained some structural damage as a result of the explosion, which killed a child and badly wounded its mother.[1] The battalion was also called upon to help quell riots that broke out following a mineworkers' strike. In 1882, the battalion was posted to Ireland, based in the Curragh. Though the posting was overall uneventful, the battalion did help reestablish order during four riots in Belfast following the defeat of the 1886 Home Rule Bill in the British Parliament. About fifty people died during the disturbances. The battalion returned to England three years later.


on the 1 July 2006 the Kings were amalgamated with the KORB & QLR to make the Duke of Lancaster's Regiment  see web site www.army.mod.uk/lancs/index.htm
Litler > Ashton in Makerfield
Partington > Ashton in Makerfield
Crank > Ashton in Makerfield Lancs
Crank > Liverpool
Egan > Seaforth/Litherland Liverpool
Roberts > Litherland from 1916

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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #11 on: Monday 18 February 08 11:48 GMT (UK) »
so could you tell me what the 5th bn "The Kings" was please
brown's and broom's of norfolk area, butcher of bromyard, goodall' edmonton, tottenham, bexley heath, walthamstow.  attwell/atwell? hamlett of walthamstow.  long's of norfolk

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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 February 08 12:29 GMT (UK) »
Ike are we talking Great War period??
If so 5th Batt was a Territorial Batt of the Kings Liverpool Regiment there were 1/5th,2/5th and 3/5th Batts of a number of Territorial units

1/5th were the first line Territorials who went overseas first the 2/5th would be training,unfit lads or lads who didnt take Imperial Obligation to go overseas

Hope it helps

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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #13 on: Monday 18 February 08 15:49 GMT (UK) »
thanks for that, only on his death cert it has 5th bn"The King's" [liverpool reg]
then were it says rank it has posted RFN 18 KLR   he was killed at passiondale 31 July 1917 ypes. his body was never found and his name is on the menin gate
brown's and broom's of norfolk area, butcher of bromyard, goodall' edmonton, tottenham, bexley heath, walthamstow.  attwell/atwell? hamlett of walthamstow.  long's of norfolk

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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 February 08 16:44 GMT (UK) »
thanks for that, only on his death cert it has 5th bn"The King's" [liverpool reg]
then were it says rank it has posted RFN 18 KLR   he was killed at passiondale 31 July 1917 ypes. his body was never found and his name is on the menin gate

i am very surprised that his rank is recorded as RFN, ie rifleman, if he was in the kings he would have been a private, if  he had been in the KRRC, he would have been a rifleman

why not post his details?

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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 February 08 17:19 GMT (UK) »
hi there
 thats on his death cert.  i dont know only whats on there, the was a ag lab and worked with horse before he joined up  what do the letters  RFN 18 KLR mean please
brown's and broom's of norfolk area, butcher of bromyard, goodall' edmonton, tottenham, bexley heath, walthamstow.  attwell/atwell? hamlett of walthamstow.  long's of norfolk

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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 February 08 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Rfn is short for Rifleman which is a rank used by the Kings Royal Rifle Corps

Kings Liverpool Regiment used Private as the same rank...5th KLR didnt lose anyone on 31st /7/17 according to SDGW but 18th KRRC lost 54 lads casualties
If you post his surname we can help you out here.
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Re: The Kings Liverpool Regiment
« Reply #17 on: Monday 18 February 08 17:47 GMT (UK) »
he was albert brown 235283 it says on his death cert 31/7/1917 age 35 which is wrong and killed in action place B.E.F Frances   found him on cwgc site and sent for his death cert,  its getting confusing now
brown's and broom's of norfolk area, butcher of bromyard, goodall' edmonton, tottenham, bexley heath, walthamstow.  attwell/atwell? hamlett of walthamstow.  long's of norfolk