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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #234 on: Monday 18 February 08 11:51 GMT (UK) »
William Wood (Willie Woods) most probably left Liverpool for Canada on  27 September 1906 on the Kensington, a ship of the Dominion Line, sailing to Quebec.
The passenger list  includes Kate Wood, 30, wife, William Wood, 6 and John Wood, 2. It  arrived Quebec on 7th October 1906 and lists Kate Woods, 30, William, 6 and J, 2, all from Wales and Kate joining her husband.

William Wood was born on 12th July 1900 at Eagle Lane, Cowbridge, Glamorgan:

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The present day map shows it to be just off the High Street.

His father was Charles Wood, a painter (journeyman) and his mother was given as Kate Ann Wood, formerly Trott. Charles Wood was the informant and gave his address as Picton Cottage, Llanblethian. This is just to the South West of the centre of Cowbridge:

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His younger brother, James, was born on 24th January 1903 at 16 The Rhiew, Bridgend. Father,  Charles Wood, is now a painter and decorator (journeyman) and  kate has had her first names reversed. She is recorded as Ann Kate Wood, formerly Trottt. Charles was the informant again and was living at 16 The Rhiew, very close to the Ogmore River and the town centre:

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The GRO marriage index lists Charles Wood and Ann Kate Trotter on the same index page June Quarter, 1898, Newport (Mon), Vol. 11a, Page 343. (This is expected 21st Feb)

The information on the birth certificates, especially James’s, confirms this family on the 1901 census as being the correct one:

16 The Rhiew,  Bridgend, Glamorgan
RG13/5050 Folio 37 Page 7

Charles Wood , head, mar, 41, Painter, b. Barrow in Furness,  Lancashire
Kate Wood, wife, mar, 39, b.  Glamorgan,  Cowbridge
Henry Wood, son, unm, 6, b. Edinburgh
William Wood, son, unm, 8mths, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge

And 13 lodgers


A thorough search failed to find either a Charles Wood or an Ann Kate Trott/Kate Ann Trott being born in either birth places (Registration Districts Ulverston and Bridgend)  around the dates given in the above census (i.e. 1859 – 1862).

The nearest matches for Charles Wood are:

Charles James Wood, June Quarter, 1868, Ulverston, Vol. 8e, Page 750
Alfred Charles Wood, Sept. Quarter, 1869, Ulverston, Vol. 8e, Page 708
(Awaiting marriage cert to confirm if either are him)

The only Ann Kate/Kate Ann, and variations, Trott born in the area was:

Ann Kate Trott, March Quarter, 1877, Bridgend, Vol. 11a, Page 575

This Ann Kate has been identified with her family on the 1881 and 1891 censuses in Cowbridge:

1881

West Village, Cowbridge
RG11/5329 Folio 28 Page 50

Henry Trott, hd, m, 35, road labourer, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Ann Trott, wife, m, 27, tollgate keeper, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Ann K. Trott, d, unm, 4, scholar, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge
Henry W. Trott, s. unm, 5, born Glamorgan, Cowbridge

(Information about Henry had been wrongly entered on the census sheet. He was actually about 5 months old. See below)

1891

Globe Inn, Cowbridge
RG12/4453 Folio 6 Page 6

Henry Trott, hd, m, 45, Licensed Victualler, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Ann, 34, wife, m, b.Somerset, North Petherton
Ann K, d, unm, 14, scholar, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge
Henry W, s, unm 10, scholar, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge
Sarah A, d, unm, 5, scholar, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge
Susannah, d, unm, 3, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge

And 15 lodgers



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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #235 on: Monday 18 February 08 11:52 GMT (UK) »
And in 1901 the family are without Ann Kate

Trott's Lodging House, Cowbridge
RG13/5047 Folio 25 Page 41


Henry Trott, hd, m, 60, Coal Merchant and Lodging House Keeper, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Ann, wife, m, 50, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Henry W, s, unm, 20, saddler, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge
Annie, d, unm, 15, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge (Sarah A on the 1891)
Minnie, d,unm, 13, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge (Susannah on 1891)
Henry Wood, Grandson, 2, b. Glamorgan, Cowbridge


One of the problems here is the presence of two Henry Woods in the 1901 census: one with Charles and Kate, aged 6 and born Edinburgh and one with Kate’s parents, aged 2, grandson and born Cowbridge. Three possibilities come to mind. First, a double entry: Henry was staying with his grandparents but was also entered with his parents. A situation which is not unusual. However, there is an age and place of birth discrepancy and, if this is the case, which was the correct entry? Second, there were two Henry Woods, one the child of an earlier marriage of Charles and one the first child of Kate and Charles (m. 1898). Thirdly, it could be that Henry Wood was the son of one of Henry and Ann’s other daughters, who might also have married a Wood.

A possible marriage entry for a Henry Trott and an Ann Addicott has been found which fits with their ages: Bridgewater, March Q, 1872, Vol.5c, Page 627.

The following births are registered for the Trott family (all Bridgend RD):

Ann Kate: March q, 1877
Henry William: Dec q, 1880   (possible marriage, December Q, 1905, Bridgend)
Sarah Ann: March q, 1886 - on the 1891 as Sarah A but is Annie on the 1901 (possible marriage, December Q, 1904, Cardiff)
Susan Amelia: Sept q, 1887 - on the 1891 as Susannah but is Minnie on the 1901 (possible marriage December Q, 1903, Bridgend)

However, if Henry and Ann married in 1872, there is a 5 year gap between the marriage and Ann Kate’s birth, which seems a rather long interval. Searches for other Trott births in the 1872-77 period show three in Bridgend: Albert John, 1874; Courtnay, 1875; and Alice, 1878. These three were the children of a John and Elizabeth Trott, also living in Cowbridge (East Village) in the 1881 census. Another Trott birth was registered in Bridgend in 1882 – Edwin who died in 1884.


The census information gives various possible dates of birth for Henry Trott (the 1901 gives circa 1840 and the 1891 and 1881 suggest a birth date circa 1846). However, his place of birth is consistent throughout as North Petherton, Somerset.

There are two possible Henry Trott’s in the earlier censuses: 

1871:

53 Powell’s Row, Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire
RG10/5325 Folio 28, Page:21

George Smarr(?), hd, m, 32, labourer, b. Wiltshire
Eliza, wife, m, 29, b. Chew Magna
William George, boarder, unm, 20, labourer, b.Corsley, Wilts
James Jones, boarder, widr, 48, labourer, b. Builth, Brecon
Henry Trott, boarder, unm, 20, labourer, b. Petherton, Somerset


This Henry is slightly younger (b.c. 1851)  than ‘our’ Henry but is the only one showing as being born in Petherton . Following this one back to 1861, this family look a strong possibility:

Kings Cliff, North Petherton
RG9/1622 Folio 74 Page 12

John Trott, hd, widow, 73, Thatcher, b. Somerset, Creech St. Michael
John Trott, son in law, 31, Thatcher, b. Somerset, West Monkton
Sarah, d, mar, 34, Thatcher (Wife), b. Somerset, North Petherton
Samuel J, grds, unm, 14, scholar, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Henry, grds, unm, 10, scholar, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Mary Ann, grdd, unm, 7, b. Somerset, North Petherton
John, grds, unm, 5, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Frank, grds, unm, 3, b. Somerset, North Petherton


In 1851:

Overton, West Monkton
HO107/1923 Folio 299 Page 21

John Trott, hd, mar, 21, Thatcher, b. Somerset, West Monkton
Sarah, wife, mar, 24, b. Somerset, West Monkton
Samuel, s, unm, 4, b. Somerset, North Petherton
Henry, s, unm, 4 mths, b. Somerset, North Petherton


The closest birth registration for this Henry is Dec q 1850, Taunton, Vol. 10 Page 457. North Petherton was in the Bridgewater Registration District but fairly close to Taunton  (which includes West Monkton).

By 1871 this family seems to have dispersed (which would tie in with Henry being in South Wales)  and Sarah dead:

Sherston Lane, Thurloxton, Somerset
RG10/2383 Folio 13  Page 12

John Trott, hd, mar, 41, Thatcher (Master), b. Somerset, North Petherton
Mary A, wife, mar, 40, dressmaker, b. Somerset West Monkton


And a possible death for Sarah in the Mar Q, 1864, Bridgewater.

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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #236 on: Monday 18 February 08 11:52 GMT (UK) »
The other family ties in more closely with Henry’s age but not birth place.

1871

Rydon, North Petherton Somerset
RG10/2382 Folio40, Page 12

Thomas Trott, hd, mar, 40, Ag. lab, b. Somerset, Duncard
Jane, wife, mar, 50, b.Somerset, Martock
Henry, son, unm, 25, labourer, b.Somerset, Duncard
Elizabeth, d, unm, 10, b. Somerset, West Hatch


On checking the 1861, this is likely to be Donyatt, near Ilminster. In this census (1861) this Henry is born Broadway, just north of Donyatt. 

Although John and Sarah are the most likely parents for Henry, his age is slightly younger than that given on later censuses. Henry’s marriage certificate is likely to be the only way of establishing who his father was and it is probably unwise to go back any further with this line until we have this evidence.

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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #237 on: Monday 18 February 08 11:52 GMT (UK) »
If the marriage of 1872 was correct, Henry’s wife was an Ann Addicott, born North Patherton between 1850 and 1857 according to her census ages. This should be verified by obtaining Ann Kate’s birth certificate (see above for reference).

The 1871 census has a probable Ann working as a domestic servant at a dairy in Lyng, near Bridgewater:

Roadside or Readside, Lyng, Bridgewater, Somerset
RG10/2384 Folio 80 Page 10

?Innperona Hillman, wid, 60, Dairy woman, b. Somerset, ?
George Hillman, s, 28, Dairy man, b. Somerset, ?
Francis Hillman, s, 20, Dairy man, b. Somerset, ?
Ann Addicott, serv,  20, Servant, b. Somerset, North Petherton



In the 1861, the only Ann that seems to fit is:


High Street, North Petherton
RG9/1622 Folio 71 Page 6

Ann Addicott, head, widow, 52, ? labourer,
Richard, 16, ag lab
Joseph, 13, ag lab
Ann, 12, ag lab
Edward, lodger, unm, 28
Job, lodger, unm, 20

All  born  Somerset, North Petherton


In 1851

North Moor Green ?Drove, North Petherton
HO107/1924 Folio 259 Page 7

Ann Addicott, 40, widow, labourer
Job, 12, labourer
William, 9
Richard, 7
Joseph, 5
Ann, 2

All born North Petherton


1841

Near Moorland House, North Petherton
HO107/953 Book 7 Folio 24 page 14

Edward Addicott, 30-34 Lab
Ann, 30-34
Amelia, 12
Edward, 10
Louisa, 8
Job, 2
William, 3 mths

All born County


If this is the correct family, a likely birth registration for Ann Addicott, Ann Kate’s mother, is September Q, 1848, Bridgewater, Vol. 10, Page 360. Also, there is a marriage for an Edward Addicott and an Ann Ingram on 30 December 1827, North Petherton in the Somerset Marriage index (FHO). This parentage would be confirmed by Ann’s birth certificate.

It seems unwise, at this stage to proceed any further back with Ann Kate Trott’s line until the following are obtained:

•   Ann Kate Trott’s birth certificate
         
     Ann Kate Trott, March Quarter, 1877, Bridgend, Vol. 11a, Page 575

•   If the birth certificate confirms parents as above, Henry Trott
    and Ann Addicotts  marriage certificate

     Henry Tortt, Bridgewater, March Q, 1872, Vol.5c, Page 627.



This marriage certificate would give the ages of the couple and their fathers’ occupations and these lines could then be further investigated.

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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #238 on: Monday 18 February 08 11:53 GMT (UK) »
I've been trying to get a full tree up but it would make a very wide screen - and I hate those, so here's a direct line tree as far as we've gone.

Any ancestor before Charles Wood and Ann Kate Trott (in top green shading) should only be seen as probables at the moment - just pencilled in to await further info.

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I'll try another way of doing the full tree  :-\
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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #239 on: Monday 18 February 08 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Genie ~

If you'd like the Gedcom of what I've entered so far, let me know and I can send it - saves you and Roger a lot of typing  :)

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Attached a sideways version of the full tree - green shading on the right denotes those who are probables only.
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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #240 on: Monday 18 February 08 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I am Willie's son's brother, I live in the USA. Thank you all for the work you are doing, my sister and I have been reading some of your posts and are finding them very interesting. please continue, and if there is anything we can add we will let roger know. Thank you all again for your efforts!!!  Larry & Jane

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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #241 on: Monday 18 February 08 19:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Larry & Jane  :)

Welcome to RootsChat.
Nice to meet you.

I've got the Gedcom from Gadget and will be seeing Roger sometime this week when I will relay all Gadget's goodies to his PC.

Genie (long time friend of Roger)  ;D




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Re: Orphan Willie Woods – Help Please.
« Reply #242 on: Monday 18 February 08 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Gadget

I am new to RootsChat and don't real;y know how to do things properly.  However, I am very interested in all your Trott data that I have just come across.

I have a very large database of Trott records, Births, marriages, deaths & census data.

I would like to hear from you (or any one else having Trott connections). :)
Trott, Tratt, Trett, Trout, also Boler & Duncan.