Irish in Co Durham

[jim021261]

Yes, it was one of three marriages that took place 15th January 1881 by the then parish priest Fr Thomas Carr who didn't provide as many details as Fr Kelly during an earlier period.

Entry as follows:
James Frain of High Felling son of Mathias and Bridget Frain of Coxhoe
to
Hanna Green of High Felling daughter of John and Jane Green of High Felling.
witnessed by: Daniel and Mary Fitzpatrick both of Sheriff Hill.

You may be interrested in one of the other marriages of the same day as James acted as a witness as follows:

Patrick O'Neill of Felling Shore son of Patrick and Rose O'Neill of Felling Shore
to
Alice Connolly of Felling Shore daughter of Thomas and Margaret Connolly of Felling Shore
witnessed by: James Frain of High Felling and Anne Burns of Low Felling.

I have some notes on a Frain family from Ireland who lived at Tow Law if you think there is a connection.

J.T.A.

Great stuff, thanks J.T.A.

Certainly didn't have James' (my g.grandad) parents before, I'd always assumed he'd come across from Ireland by himself. Only problem now is I can't seem to locate Mathias and Bridget anywhere in the North East before or after this date!
The 1901 Census has James (born Roscommon abt 1835) and Hannah living in Newcastle with a lodger called Robert Green (Uncle to their kids) so this would seem to validate it's the right family.
Their are quite a few Children including John who was born before the marriage.

Hi Billy Fish,

I've just started looking up my family history and came across your post, my great great grandfather was James Frain the same as your g grandfather. My g grandmother was their daughter Bridget. I dont have much more info beyond James apart from what I have seen on your posts. I would love to know what info you have, i have a couple of photos of James Frain and have posted them maybe you have never seen these.

Hope to hear from you James. 

James,

Fantastic stuff if it's the same James Frain we've got!
I've certainly not seen the photograph before and would be very interested in any others you may have and any information relating to them.
The family of James and Hannah that I have is as follows

Male (looks like Jane in the census but it's male!) 1876, Felling
John 1877, Felling
Mary Hannah 1881, Hetton-le-Hole
Bridget 1884, Felling (your  g Grandma?)
James 1886, Wardley
Rose Ann 1889, Newcastle
Ellen 1890-1979, Newcastle (My Grandma)
Ann 1893, Newcastle
Matthew 1896, Usworth

I've still not been able to trace anything back on James,  or his Parents Mathias and Bridget, before 1881 or been able to find them in the 1881 census. Is the Photograph of James the elder or of the son? If it's the elder and he was in the army that could account for him being elusive earlier. He may well have been married before Hannah as the two elder children were born well before the marriage 
I've managed to go back a little bit further with his wife Hannah Green, let me know if the above fits with your information and we can compare notes further if we have a hit!!

Dear Billy,

I do have a couple of more photos, perhaps you could give me your email address as it took a while to upload on here.
 It seems to be the same James Frain i have a bit more info from a  old family bible that we have, for example it definatley is a Jane the census is marked incorrectly. Here is the info below -

Jane Frain
Born:      Fellling on Tyne
Married to:   William Anderson at Washington R.C.Church
Died at:      Don Gardens Washington

Hannah Frain   
Born:
Married to:   James Johnston at Washington R.C.Church
Died at:      Ponteland

James Frain
Died at:      Washington 10/2/1971

John Frain
Married to:   Scabella Coulon at Washington R.C.Church

Rose Frain
Married to:   Daniel Doherty at Blyth R.C.Church
Died at:      Derry, Northern Ireland

Ellen Frain
Born:      Newcastle-on-Tyne
Married to:   William Wilkinson, Washington R.C.Church

Mathew Frain
Born :      Usworth 12th September 1885
Married to:   Cecilia Conroy at St.Marys Newcastle-on-Tyne
Died at:      Washigton 8th December 1961

Anne Frain
Born:      Newcastle-on-Tyne   1st October 1892

I would love to know what info you have about hannah green - my email is (*)

Thanks

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[Mr J T Arthur]

This is i know a very long shot

I know that John WATSON married Catherine CUGGAN of Co Tyrone in the Gateshead district in 1850

Is it possible that they married in Felling RC Church I think John was a widower Catherine would have been about 27 so she may also have been a widow

thank you for any help you can give.

Sorry but it's not in the St Patrick's, Felling mariage registers.

Good luck,
J.T.A.

[Trees]

Many thanks I thought it was a long shot
Trees

[Billy Fish]

Dear Billy,

I do have a couple of more photos, perhaps you could give me your email address as it took a while to upload on here.
 It seems to be the same James Frain i have a bit more info from a  old family bible that we have, for example it definatley is a Jane the census is marked incorrectly. Here is the info below -

Jane Frain
Born:      Fellling on Tyne
Married to:   William Anderson at Washington R.C.Church
Died at:      Don Gardens Washington

Hannah Frain   
Born:
Married to:   James Johnston at Washington R.C.Church
Died at:      Ponteland

James Frain
Died at:      Washington 10/2/1971

John Frain
Married to:   Scabella Coulon at Washington R.C.Church

Rose Frain
Married to:   Daniel Doherty at Blyth R.C.Church
Died at:      Derry, Northern Ireland

Ellen Frain
Born:      Newcastle-on-Tyne
Married to:   William Wilkinson, Washington R.C.Church

Mathew Frain
Born :      Usworth 12th September 1885
Married to:   Cecilia Conroy at St.Marys Newcastle-on-Tyne
Died at:      Washigton 8th December 1961

Anne Frain
Born:      Newcastle-on-Tyne   1st October 1892

I would love to know what info you have about hannah green - my email is (*)

Thanks

James,

I've sent you a PM so hopefully you'll have received that.

Regarding some of the info above, I've done a quick review on FreeBMD and noted that John married Isabella Conlon abt Jun 1902. Maybe the family didn't like her and called her Scabella!!

Ellen was born 11th November 1890 and died 22 Feb 1979 in Washington she married William abt Dec 1922. They had seven children together and William was a widower and had children from the previous marriage.
Annie died a few years after Ellen also in Washington, I remember her as a lovely old Lady.

Bill

[at0m]

Where exactly in County Tyrone my great grandparents came from was a mystery, until I found from the 1911 census that my great grandmother Dorothy Glasgow put her birthplace as Oritor Craigs, a townland in County Tyrone, near Cookstown.

My Irish born great grandfather William Swailes died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1908, so no 1911 information for him.  The family legend passed down to my dad (died 1992) and my aunt (still full of life) was that their grandad William came from Cookstown and had a pony and trap, and that the pony knew its way home from the pub.  Not much of an Irish legacy perhaps, but my dad's numerous uncles were all hard working Co. Durham miners.  Dad said they 'signed the pledge'.

Tom Swailes



       

[anthony pearson]

hi all Irish in co durham

in my family we have
mccarick from co sligo (living in gateshead)
o'neill                          (living in gateshead)

starting with a john mccarrick married to a bridget from sligo
                        peter mccarrick married to a ellen mccarrick (nee mannion)
all living in gateshead

we do not have much info on the o'neill family just that a jaen o'neill married to robert pearson in gateshead
in late 1930/40s

[MK201]

What are the counties of Ireland represented in Co. Durham?  I've seen some posts that mention Counties Armagh, Monaghan and Mayo.  Are there other counties and is one county more represented than others?

Thank you,
Margaret

[Mr J T Arthur]

All 32 Counties were represented but most came from the provinces of Ulster and Connaught. The three Counties you mention were well represented.

J.T.A.

[MK201]

Thank you for your quick response.  I was hoping to narrow down the selection of counties but it seems safe to say that the Province of Ulster would be the most populous in Co. Durham.
Thank you,
Margaret