help me please, 1851/61/ info

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Could anyone help me. I have located my great great grandad (I think) on the 1901 Census, living in Sheffield...

John Shelley 57 mechanical enjineer (sic) notts, Nottinghamshire
Annie Shelley 48.......................................Notts, Nottinghamshire
Annie Shelley 20 .......................................Derby, Derbyshire
Rose Shelley  13......................................Derby, Derbyshire
Nelly (?) Shelley 11...................................Yorks, Sheffield
Joseph Shelley 9........................................Yorks, Sheffield (my great granddad)

I can see that they must have lived in Derby in between 1881 and 1888 (at least) and moved to Sheffield at some time but cannot find out any more. I would like to find out about John when he was born in Nottingham, but have no idea where to go next. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Steve Ley]

What area of Nottinghamshire are the details from the 1901 taken ? It will help to narrow down the search area when i check the other census.


Steve.

[Heather D]

Not what you asked for but here are the 1881 and 1891 which give a different age for John. Will have a look at earlier records in a minute.

RG11 3395 133 18
12 Hill Road Derby
John Shelley head 31 engine fitter Derby
Annie wife 27 Nottingham
William A son 3 scholar Nottingham
George H son 2 scholar Nottingham
Sarah A dau 9months Derby

RG12 3829 70 18
114 Verdon/Vendon Street Brightside Bierlow Sheffield
Joe/Jon Shelley head 41 iron and steel turner Nottingham
Annie wife 37 Nottingham
William A son 13 errand boy Nottingham
George H son errand boy Nottingham
Sarah A dau 10 scholar Derby
Rose dau 3 Derby
Nelly dau 1 Sheffield

[Heather D]

Hmmm ...there is a baptism at Nottingham St Peter 13/02/1848 to John and Mary, which doesn't quite fit the dates either! Nor can I see a Notts born John Shelley of the right age in 1871. However I do see a 21 year old John Shelly from Derbyshire.
Might be worth asking for a check of the 1851 Derbyshire indexes? What do you think Steve?

[Heather D]

OK, I'm going to give you the 1871 I found as the age and occupation fit.

RG10 3560 122 37
36 Arthur Street, St Alkmund Derby
Thomas Shelly head 62 wood turner Burton on Trent Staffs
Eliza wife 54 Derbys. Mickleover
Elizabeth dau 26 silk mill hand Derby
Sarah Ann dau 23 silk mill hand Derby
John son 21 iron turner and fitter Derby
Emma dau 18 silk mill hand Derby
Thomas son 15 boiler maker Derby
George son 13 compositor and printer Derby

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The 1901 details are from the Sheffield Census (Hallam/nether Hallam). The posts above don't tie in with the dtaes I have (John Shelley would have been born in 1844 or 1845, somewhere in Nottingham. Annie Shelley in 1851/1852, also in Nottingham.
I am getting more and more confused.

[Heather D]

Hiya When you say the 1881/1891 census I have given you doesn't tie up with the dates you have ...where are you getting those dates from? Do you have birth certificates for John and Annie or are you taking the ages on 1901 as gospel?
It seems to me they are the same family. In 1901 you have a Rose 13 born Derby and a Nelly 11 born Sheffield. In 1891 the family has Rose 3 Derby and Nelly 1 born Sheffield. Might I suggest that your Annie in 1901 is actually Sarah Ann? It is not uncommon for people to use the name they are called by rather than their given name. Nor is it uncommon for ages to differ between censuses..it's what makes this stuff such good fun and so frustrating!
As for the 1871 - that's just an option to bear in mind, as the name/age/occupation fits that of John in 1881 and 1891.
However I have checked the 1851 for you and the surname Shelly/Shelley only occurs twice in the Notts census for that year. There is a 60 year old Richard Shelley, unmarried and living with servants in Nottingham. There is also an Ellen Shelley age 17 visiting Mansfield from the Isle of Wight. No trace of your John - sorry.

[Steve Ley]

Hi Heather, I t would be worth while asking for an 1851 Derbyshire lookup but i only have the 1861 and it's without a name index.

Steve.

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A freind has helped me with this a bit. His age of 57, is probably 51 which ties in with Heathers info above,

Marriages Jun 1877
Christian  Sarah Ann    Nottingham  7b 448   
FISHER  Thomas     Nottingham  7b 448   
SHELLEY  John     Nottingham  7b 448   
(from free BMD I think)

and  John born 1850 (give or take 6 months) married Annie who was born in Nottm around 1853/4. 
their kids:-
William born 1878 in Nottm
George born 1879/80 Nottm
Sarah A(probably Annie) born 1880/1 Derby
Rose born 1888 Derby
Nelly born 1890 Sheffield
Joseph born 1892 Sheffield

It would appear that Sarah Ann IS Annie - well done Heather  . I am getting less confused as time goes on.

I would still like to find more about John's background, but I (we) are/am getting there!