Bansha Birth

[mags]

My Grand Mother was born in Bansha,  we always thought her name was Margaret O'Sullivan but I am not sure now as the birth record to fit her date of birth, says Margaret Sullivan,,, also under Denomination,,, it says Civil Parish/ District.  the question is,,,,,,, is she Roman Catholic .... or Church of Ireland..
I cannot find a Marriage record for her either in Tipperary or Kildare, where she was working before she married my Grandad, John O'Neill in 1903.
any help would be greatfully received..
Thank you.

Margaret.

[aghadowey]

Assuming she was born after the start of civil registration of births (began 1864 in Ireland) it sounds as though you are talking about information taken from a birth registration. Civil Parish are different from Roman Catholic Parishes which is probably what you are thinking of here.
A birth certificate will list the name, date and exact place of birth (townland), name and occupation of father (unless illegitimate) and mother's name, name and address (townland, civil parish) of informant, date of registration and name of person qualified to register the birth (Registrar or local doctor, etc.) and will also give registration district. A birth certificate does not mention what religion the family might have been.

[mags]

Hi aghadowey, Thank you for for your reply, I am just trying to find out if she
was Catholic or not, I got it from the Bru Boru Cultrural Centre-Online.
Birth Record,  Margaret Sullivan  d.o.b  1869. I have an address, Lisvarrinane
Parish / district Bansha. Civil Parish District
Her Parents name and mothers maiden name and fathers occupation.
in what way are Civil parishes different from Roman catholic Parishes, I am a bit
of a dumbo on these things, so if you can help I would be delighted,,,

Margaret.

[aghadowey]

The Irish system of land divisions can be cofusing to outsiders so you are not alone. However, I'm a bit confused by the information you were given.
Lisvarrinane (townland)- 661 acres. Civil Parish- Clonbeg. Poor Law Union- Tipperary. Barony- Clanwilliam. County- Tipperary. Province- Munster.
Bansha West (townland)- 509 acres. Civil Parish- Templeneiry. (Poor Law Union, Barony, County & Province same as above).
Bansha East (townland)- 125 acres. Civil Parish- Templeneiry. 

A birth certificate should list the townland which seems to be Lisvarrinane. Suspect that Bansha is might be the registration district but not familiar with Co. Tipperary itself.

Some of these sites might help explain the land divisions here (applies to all Ireland):
www.ulsterancestry.com/ulster_townlands_by_county.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townland
www.ulsterplacenames.org/land_division_in_ireland.htm
www.thecore.com/seanruad

And for County Tipperary (you might want to bookmark this site to refer to it again):
www.rootsweb.com/~irltip/townlands
which leads to detailed information on Lisvarrinane- Catholic Diocese of Cashel & Emly, Catholic Parish of Galbally:
www.rootsweb.com/~irltip/townlands/Lisvarrinane.htm

[mags]

Hi aghadowey,
Thank you for your help, It is a Birth Record from  the site  Bru Boru Cultural Centre, which lets you search the records and then charge 10 euro if you want that record.it doesn't say Birth Certificate.
Thank you for your help and the links, I will look into them soon.

Margaret.

[wizard1]

There are 2 families showing up in Griffiths Valuation, Maruice Sullivan and Margaret Sullivan.

Could either of these be Margarets parents?

Peter.

[mags]

Hi Peter, I got my grand mothers Marriage certificate and it
says, Margaret  O'Sullivan,  parents,Thomas O'Sullivan and Margaret Gilmartin.>Galbally so I had a look for her birth
record and it said Margaret Sullivan, father Thomas Sullivan
and mother Margaret Kilmartin so do I have the wrong Sullivan/O'Sullivan or is the O' of any importance, it is just a bit confusing as some one said if you were O' you were  RC and if not maybe C of I , they got married in the Pro-Cathedral in Dublin.
Thank you for your interest.

[wizard1]

Dear Margaret,

No truth in that rumour whatsoever.

In simple terms, O' means 'descended from' and in the Gaelic language almost all names were preceded by either O' or Mac (meaning 'son of'). The Penal Laws made it illegal to use the Gaelic language or any form of Irish name.

About 150 years ago the growth on the Gaelic League encouraged some families to re-adopt the O' and particularly after Independence it became quite common if not fashionable to have a leading O'.

Within my own family I have 3 forms of the same name, 1 with an O', the other two without. I have one case in the 20th century where a father, his son and his daughter all spelled their name differently.

There's a lot of reading matter available on the net but you can take it for certain that the way a person spells their name is no indicator of their denomination.

Best wishes,
Peter.

[mags]

Thank you Peter,it's nice to have an explanation, I will remember that.

Best Wishes.
Margaret.