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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #63 on: Saturday 19 September 09 11:15 BST (UK) »
Hello Sante,

I too have many listings of Theophilus Hearsey etc. being London Merchants and later listed as "Orange Merchants" all references between 1751 -1800, I would love to sort it out!

Unfortunately I have found four Theophilus Hearsey's so it is almost impossible to say which information fits each one!

the first I have knowledge of is the one who fought at the battle of Culloden in 1745 he was a Cumberland squire and Jacobite

the second is the son of Theophilus above of whom I have no birth date but his brother Andrew died in Middelburg Holland 1752, I have these notes about this Theophilus
"Theophilus and his father were both present at Culloden and consequently attainted and their estates confiscated. They fled the country joining exiled court on the continent where his father eventually died, he remained until proceedings against Jacobites were relaxed and then returned to England, settled down as a merchant in the city of London and became rich and prosperous."

The third, the son of brother Andrew above although I have only found one reference of this one.

I do also have notes from "The Social Condition of the British Community in Bengal" 1757 - 1800 - by Suresh Chandra Ghosh (1970 pub. BRILL)The Development of the British Official Families page 46

The Hearsey's are an example of a typical family all of whose adult male members looked upon the Bengal Army as their right opening. Andrew Hearsey the Captain of an East Indiaman and the brother of Theophilus, an influential London Merchant, died in 1778 leaving one daughter (another Chritian Mary born around 1730) and one son, Andrew Wilson Hearsey who had obtained a cadetship on the Bengal establishment in 1765.

The forth was the son of Andrew Hearsey ( son of the Andrew Hearsey above) and Jane Cole (whom it would appear had 15 children) Theophilus born abt. 1754

One of the Theophilus Hearseys (probably the one above) must have married Sarah Garlick
Pallots Marriage entry for Theophilus Hearsey Residence St.Botolph Billingsgate - Parish St. Mary Le Bow married by License 1783 to Sarah Garlick (minor)

I just wish they had been more imaginative about their names and chosen something different to Theophilus and Andrew!

If you have any other details I would love to her them, I do not have any references to the wills you mention.
I have also included The Salmon's in my research due to Marion Hearsey's marriage - this side is still ongoing for me.

Crystal :D


 
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Wright, Wooldridge and Little - Surrey and London
Grimes - Middlesex and Surrey
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Bradshawe - Hampshire, London and East Indies
Hearsey - India (British Army), Cumberland and London

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #64 on: Sunday 20 September 09 06:24 BST (UK) »
The Hearsey's

Found the Following;

Theophilus (Cumberland Squire) (Went to Colloden)
        a)     Theophilus (2nd)         (Went to Colluden)
        b)     Andrew
                 A)  Theophilus  (in commerce)
                 B)  Andrew (captain)  in the seven year war
                       a)  Andrew Wilson (1752-1798)

Wills from the National Archives

Theophilus   9 sept 1824 Orange Merchant in Botolph lane
                    20 Apr 1822
                    11 Nov 1774  Orange Merchant London Lower Thames

Andrew         8 Jan 1825 Orange Merchant  Botolph Lane
                   29 Aug 1804 Andrew Wilson Captain

The third Theophilus suceeded in commerce, while his uncle Andrew became captain of an East Indiaman that defeated a French Frigate in a vigorous action during the Seven Years War (1756-1763)........................     The third Andrew Hearsey arrived in India in the year when Robert Clive assumed his brief second governorship of Bengal...........................From family memoirs.

Thought that it was interesting but now you have to match this up with any BDM records, rather difficult.

does anyone have any dates?


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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 20 September 09 10:45 BST (UK) »
The wills look interesting but as you say difficult to match up dates!

I hope some one can help!

Although this all starts with the Battle of Culloden I have been unable to find more details about Theophilus and his sons after they fled to the continent (or how they fled) until they returned.

I wonder if we should start a new topic somewhere else for the returned merchants and the Captain of the Indiaman.

Crystal :D
Oakes and Rance - Cheshire
Wright, Teesdale, MacWhirter -Sussex
Wright, Wooldridge and Little - Surrey and London
Grimes - Middlesex and Surrey
Cardy - Surrey
Broyd, Hanch and Lazell - Essex
Bradshawe - Hampshire, London and East Indies
Hearsey - India (British Army), Cumberland and London

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 02:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Crystal

I found some reference to Hearsey's & Colluden etc in Hansard at the following link:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1887/may/16/question-observations

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 22 September 09 20:02 BST (UK) »
That's interesting - I have also found mention of Theophilus Hearsey

http://ksimmon.sasktelwebsite.net/PS03/PS03_198.HTM

Crystal
Oakes and Rance - Cheshire
Wright, Teesdale, MacWhirter -Sussex
Wright, Wooldridge and Little - Surrey and London
Grimes - Middlesex and Surrey
Cardy - Surrey
Broyd, Hanch and Lazell - Essex
Bradshawe - Hampshire, London and East Indies
Hearsey - India (British Army), Cumberland and London

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #68 on: Wednesday 23 September 09 04:50 BST (UK) »
Dear Old Rowley,
Sorry to keep pestering. but I am very curious about the Jacobites of the Cumming, Cummins, Reid and Kerr families.

Our family legend says our ancestor Eleanor Cummins, born in Dundee. Whose father “a staunch Jacobite, was killed for his rightful King.” Eleanor was sent to Ireland to be raised. It is said that Eleanor Cummings was the first commoner in the family.

Thank you.

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 23 September 09 10:43 BST (UK) »
My apologies Bret I missed reading your posting when you first placed it on the board and since then it has been bypassed by all the other messages that have been added to this thread. I have had a look at the information that I have (not a lot I must admit) and have found referrence to Cumins and Kerr and a Ried rather than Reid but no Keir's.
Again the number before the name is the number given to the prisoner.

623 James Cumins. Died at Tilbury Fort Essex.

624 James Cumming. Pressed.

1455 Donald Kerr. Transported 20th March 1747.

2807 William Ried. Discharged.

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Claxton- East London & Essex<br />Cuthbert- Mile End East London <br />Edwards - East London & Essex<br />Goll- Norfolk<br />Harris-Mile End East London<br />Hurr - Suffolk<br />Law- Bethnal Green East London<br />Moll- East London<br />Robinson- Bethnal Green East London<br />Tait- Argyll & Glasgow<br />Thompson Shoreditch East london<br />Watson- Glasgow<br />Wood- Bethnal Green East London<br /><br />Local history interest; Noak Hill & Harold Hill Essex<br /><br />census information crown cop

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #70 on: Wednesday 23 September 09 20:08 BST (UK) »
Thank you. Hopefully some day it will all make sense.

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Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« Reply #71 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 13:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi 

If and when you have the time please can l have more info on   {  M'Mudie   } listed in the Jacobite prisoners from 1745

Regards

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