Is MOUCHET a French surname ?

[Pilgarlic]

Hello Valda
 I am really impressed and thankful for the research you have been doing on the Mouchet's. So much information ! 

I should of said that on the IGI Samuel Mouchet was born and baptised in 1801 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster to parents Abraham John Mouchet and Mary. Not Abraham Mouchet and Lucy. This would make him only about nine years younger than wife Sarah. Apologies for not adding Abraham's middle name in my previous posts.

Yes - i see what you mean about William Joseph and his occupation's putting him in a different class to Abraham John Mouchet & Abraham Mouchet's occupation of both being Wine Merchants. By the way, on that marriage certificate it gives Samuel Mouchet's occupation as a Painter.

I am going to order and download that Will of Abraham Mouchet 1793 in a moment. Very exciting. I hope i will be able to read it ?   I am not all that great at reading old hand writing !

Many thanks again valda.  I need to take all this info in !

[ndedross]

There is an Abraham and Mary Mauchet, aged 80 and 75 (ages rounded down to the nearest 5 years) living in Anderson's Walk, St Mary, Lambeth in the 1841 Census. Abraham claims Independent Means. Both were NOT born in Surrey.
Reference HO107/1057/6 page 6.

I would say it is probable that these are the Abraham and Mary you have found on the IGI, christening a Samuel.

In case you don't have the Joseph family, they are at Regency Place, Lambeth in 1841. Same street as 1851. HO107/1055/1 page 37....
Francis Joseph  70    Laborer
Sarah                50
Mary                  20
John                  19   Carman
William              17   Barman (not Carman)
Robert               11   Shopboy
James                 8    Shopboy

Alas, no sign of Samuel.

Nigel

[ndedross]

There are two more Mouchet brothers in the 1841 Census, that tie into Abraham John and Mary.

Rose Cottages, Bolingbroke Gardens, Battersea

Abraham 45  Artist, not born in Surrey
George   30  Author, not born in Surrey

HO107/1046/2 Page 10

Abraham matches the christening in 1792 at St Anne Soho
George could be the one chistened in 1803 at St Martin-In-The-Fields - he just lied about his age, as an author might to in his vanity!?
Both are to Abraham John and Mary Mouchet.

Abraham John married St Anne Soho 30 Mar 1791 to Mary Stedman.

Nigel

[Pilgarlic]

Thanks Nigel

More Mouchet info coming my way. This is excellent news. 

I have never been able to find Abraham John and Mary Mouchet on the 1841 census. I see that Ancestry.co.uk has their surname as MARCHEL !   Another breakthrough 

Yes i agree these are the same Abraham John and Mary on the IGI. The most interesting fact is that they have moved into my families area of Lambeth. Also the two sons George and Abraham have moved south of the river. They are both unmarried which seems to back up the Ancestor Vol 5 1903 extract. I am beginning to wonder if my Samuel was an outcast of the family if he was a son to Abraham John ?

I have seen the 1841 census of my Joseph family before. Thanks anyway.

Here is the extract from The Ancestor Vol 5 1903 -

 ' The children of Mary Stedman and A. J. Mouchet all died unmarried and without issue. The last survivor was their only daughter, Mary Ann Mouchet, who was born 19 June 1793 and died 12 Mar 1886 in full possession of her faculties'

[ndedross]

It would be interesting to understand the context of the Ancestor extract, and who submitted it.

The concern is the lack of a marriage for Samuel, and no Samuel or Sarah in the 1841 Census. I use British Origins transcript which more complete (they claim) than Ancestry - and certainly offers much better search capability.As an aside, I found Daniel's (AJ's uncle) family remnants in Plymouth in 1841 (maybe a Navy connection?).

Perhaps it would be worth searching the burial records for St Martin's, to see if Samuel died an infant? I'll be doing that for my ancestors (Gallaway), same timeframe, later this year. I've made a note to look out for Mouchet.

Nigel

[Pilgarlic]

Hello Nigel

The extract is taken from the ANCESTOR Vol 5 1903 ' RUSSELL FAMILY OF NEW BOND STREET' written by Aleyn Lyell Reade.
Mary Stedman's mother was Joanna Russell. Aleyn was a decendent of Mary Stedman's sister Anne Stedman who married James Read.

The start of the document states that ' The following pedigree represents my entire knowledge of the Russell family'

Yes i have never been able to find Samuel Mouchet or wife Sarah on the 1841 census either. Yes the St Martin's burial records may be worth a look at. Daniel's family in Plymouth ! Very interesting.  According to Ancestry.co.uk newspaper records he was Wine Merchant and became bankrupt in 1797. Thanks for making a note on the Mouchet's. I hope you come up with something in the future.

[CatOne]

Is this Sarah in 1841?

HO107/1055/1 Folio 40 Page 29 (transcribed "Menhart")
Ryeney? Place, Kennington First, Lambeth, Surrey
Sarah M.....? 50 Bonnet mk Y
Sarah 15 Y
Henry 15 Painter Y
Caroline 10 Y
/
Joseph? 30 Hatter? Y
Harriet? 30 Y
Sarah? 10 Y
Joseph 10
Harriet 10
Wilfred/Alfred? 10m Y

[Pilgarlic]

Hello CatOne

I do believe you have hit the jackpot for Sarah Mouchet and family in the 1841 census. Fantastic !  Thanks.
They are living at Regency Place as in the 1851 census. A Caroline and Henry are in the family which nicely fits with the Caroline and Henry who are named as witnesses to the marriage of Sarah Mouchet and William Joseph. Also the mum Sarah being a Bonnet Maker.

The big thing that stands out to me is the age of Alfred being 7 months. If this is a son this would put the father Samuel Mouchet's death in 1840 or 1841.

There are two Sarah's, two Joseph's and two Harriet's in the family. I wonder if this is a mistake ?

I can't believe i originally only asked if Mouchet was a French surname !  Thankyou to all of you who have helped me so far with the Mouchet's.

[ndedross]

Hi Paul,

Catone looks to have delivered!

The bottom 6 people look to be Joseph & Harriet as husband and wife with their children. Therefore Caroline (aged 10-14) is the last of Sarah and Samuel's children, suggesting he died over 10 years earlier?

On your original question....

Look at this, and enter Mouchet in the search - http://www.geneanet.org/ There are over 7000 entries mostly in France.

Cheers,

Nigel