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G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« on: Friday 25 January 08 14:58 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if any of you knowledgeable people can help with my relative's naval record. Charlie  (Charles Lawson) signed up for 12 years commencing 24 July 1912 and I have his entire service record month by month which runs till the following entry:
Victory 2 Leading Stoker 16 March 1920-19 March 1980 but in the Discharge column it states "Shore (free discharge) and then the following entry is:
Joined RFR 20 March 1920. The final entry is as follows:
Victory 2 9 April 1921-4 June 1921
and then the record ends.

I am familiar with the terms 'honourable and dishonourable discharge' (of course) but have no idea what a free discharge is. Can anyone shed any light on that?

Also I am puzzled about his not serving until 1924 (the original 12 years from 1912). His record is unblemished and he rose steadily through the rankings without problem.

Our main problem is the trail goes cold on him completely from the last entry and I am wondering if the circumstances of his discharge and transfer to Royal Fleet Reserve might open a way for us. Despite having brothers (and our grandfather) whom we can trace from birth to death (and almost everything in between!) Charlie disappears off the face of the earth - no family comments/stories/mentions, no marriage, no death - no idea where he might have lived.
Any help would be appreciated.
David
Lawson - Northumberland - Ashington, Longhirst, Newcastle
Jennings - Northumberland, Lancashire, N Wales, Cornwall
Heron - Northumberland, Ashington, Blyth
Stobbs - Northumberland, Newcastle, Allendale

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Re: G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 January 08 18:57 GMT (UK) »
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Lawson - Northumberland - Ashington, Longhirst, Newcastle
Jennings - Northumberland, Lancashire, N Wales, Cornwall
Heron - Northumberland, Ashington, Blyth
Stobbs - Northumberland, Newcastle, Allendale

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Re: G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 13:22 GMT (UK) »
hi david

do you know when charles lawson was born ?
also are any ships mentioned ?
was victory a ship or navy base ?

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Re: G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 15:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi and thanks for your reply. Charles was born 14 June 1893, Ashington, Northumberland. As I stated I have his Naval record complete from joining 24 July 1912 (when he signed up for 12 years) through to his "free discharge" 19 March 1920 and then his transfer to RFR where he spent 9 April 1921 till 9 June 1921  again on Victory II. That last point is the final entry on his service record ie 4ish years short of the term he signed up for.

Victory II is, as far as I understand it,  a shore-based training establishment where, judging by the pattern,  they spent episodes of about a month, obviously at the start and then periodically again throughout service. Charles did this 5 times throughout his years ending up there again when he transferred to RFR.

The vessels he served on were (in order, but missing out Victory II periods):
HMSs Renown, Ninerda II, Vindictive, Achilles (the longest single spell - 14 Sep 1914-1 Nov 1917), Hsela II, Dolphin, Ross (some of the spelling of these might not be right: everything is handwritten and at times a little difficult to read).

Checking the WW1 Forum there is some confusion about Victory II - whether it might have been Crystal Palace based and/or Portsmouth, and whether it was used as early as 1905 (some say 1910) or as late as 1920 (but some say they have records through to 1928 at least).

None of these points are THAT important because they do not change the facts of his known service record.

I only wanted to know what the expression "Free Discharge" meant and if anyone had any idea why he would be released 4 years earlier than the term he signed up for (and I suspect the word "free" has something to do with the latter point, linked to his transfer to RFR)
David
Lawson - Northumberland - Ashington, Longhirst, Newcastle
Jennings - Northumberland, Lancashire, N Wales, Cornwall
Heron - Northumberland, Ashington, Blyth
Stobbs - Northumberland, Newcastle, Allendale


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Re: G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 15:55 GMT (UK) »
The answer to 'free discharge' (for Army) is here:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02m3/
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Re: G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 16:02 GMT (UK) »
Golly! Thanks for that. I guess it would be safe to assume something similar operated in the navy. I was delighted to see you had used Google Books for that. I have only just discovered what a goldmine that is in recent times but have only used it to look for people. Never thought of using it as you did. Thanks for that prompt!
David
Lawson - Northumberland - Ashington, Longhirst, Newcastle
Jennings - Northumberland, Lancashire, N Wales, Cornwall
Heron - Northumberland, Ashington, Blyth
Stobbs - Northumberland, Newcastle, Allendale

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Re: G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 16:05 GMT (UK) »

Wonder if he came into money and emigrated ?

Lots of stuff going on then ... Oil Gold Minerals etc ..... South America Australia ... the list is endless !

Maybe he was just fed up - what with the war .... maybe he just thought he was lucky to live this long .... and he was DONE !!

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Re: G Uncle Charlie's Naval Record
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 29 January 08 16:16 GMT (UK) »
David- all I did was put 'military "free discharge" ' into Google and checked the results. Found lots of examples of naval 'free discharge' but nothing that explained what it was.
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