Birth Certificate transcription

[silvery]

Yes of course.  Never was any good at 'taking away' even at darts!

[Tati]

Maybe he isn't even the guy who dies in 1903? 

Jorose - you seem to know everything about Milbourn - did he ever come back?

[Rupert96]

Thanks heaps for all the advice.

Yes Milburn & Jane Mann with their children came out to Australia in 1860.
Their daughter Emma Jane Mann came out to Australia in 1876 with husband John Harris & children.

Milburn and Jane also returned to England, they both died in Tetbury. 1893 & 1903.

This one is certainly a mystery, I could not find a marriage for MANN/BARNFIELD on (Free BMD). In 1841 Milburn is living with his parents & siblings.
The question is did he marry after 1841 have a child in 1843 then remarry in 1845.
Would marriages back then still be in the process of being transcribed??

Cheers
Rupert

[Rupert96]

The link "jorose" mentions http://www.a2a.org.uk/
re Bunting alias Barnfield.

Jane Plaister (Plaster) parents are William Plaister & Elizabeth Bunting.

Perhaps these two Jane's (Plaister & Barnfield) are the same person.

Interestingly the same year and qtr as Milburn's marriage to Jane Plaster, there is also a James Barnfield. (No scan to check whether transcribed correctly).

Cheers
Rupert

[jorose]

It would be interesting to see how he lists himself on the marriage certificate - bachelor or widower?

I suspect Jane Barnfield and Jane Plaster are different:

In 1841, there are three teenagers on the Tetbury census:
Jane Barnfield, 13, living with William Barnfield and Weltham nee Bird at Frog Lane. Probably their granddaughter or niece, as they had an older daughter Jane who m. Enoch Hobbs and is on the 1841 census with him elsewhere in Gloucestershire
Milburn Mann, 16, living on Harper St. with his family.
Jane Plaster/Plaister, 15, living on Harper St. with her mother Eliza.

In 1843, Emma Jane Mann is born to Milburn and Jane Barnfield
In May 1845, a child Jane Plaister, illegitimate to Jane Plaister, is christened in Tetsbury (original of this would be interesting to see!)
On 29 June 1845, Jane Plaster and Milburn Mann marry. They were both 19.

There seems to be no marriage/death for Jane Barnfield in Tetsbury, nor any trace of the Jane Plaister/Plaster who was christened just before the marriage. 

[Cas (stallc)]

I agree with Jorose and am of the same logic. There are 2 Jane's, one he married. Also thought Jane Barnfield could be poss. grandchild to the couple in 1841.

Tati found Emma Jane b 1843 registered as Mann & Barnfield.  So she is/was the child of this couple the birth cert states this.

Do you think it possible that the child on 1851 is the Jane Plaster/Plaister child of this couple (or wife Jane) that Jorose found, and not Emma Jane at all, she is always called Jane on census?

Perhaps Emma Jane and mother Jane (nee) Barnfield are seperate on 1851 census ?

Just my thoughts...

Cas

[Rupert96]

Family notes have always suggested that the illegitimate child Jane Plaister christened in 1845 was Emma Jane Mann, taking on her mother's husband surname when Jane married.
I always had a question mark next to this theory. It was said perhaps she added Emma to Jane as her mother was also named Jane.
Though Emma Jane Mann's marriage certificate states her father is Milburn Mann.

Rupert

[Cas (stallc)]

Hello Rupert....hopefully we are trying to help and not throw up any more of a puzzle.

If Emma Jane was registered in 1843 under Mann & Barnfield the father would have surely had to be present, they only registered illegit children in that era if father was present to give name, as far as I am aware?

If the christening two years later had her as Jane Plaster, she already had her fathers' name on her birth cert as Mann.  You also know the parentage of Jane Plaster (mother)

Do you have Emma Jane married as 'Emma' Jane or Jane Mann?  also the marriage cert for Milburn and Jane Plaster?  perhaps we can gleen clues from witness or fathers' names? 

Hoping to help

Cas

[Rupert96]

Hi Cas

Have attached marriage certificates for Milburn Mann & Jane Plaister also John Harris & Emma Jane Mann.

Let me know what you think, perhaps you can see something I have missed.

Cheers
Rupert