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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 January 08 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Just found him with a ?sister? Salome on the 1841 census  8) Love that name  8) Shout if you want details, Rupert  :D
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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 January 08 10:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tati

"Your too cheeky"

When I had my sunglasses on today I thought it was William but when I started munipulating the document you can see the 4th letter is a "B" also check how the 1st letter starts but then has a gap.

The reason I asked is that her birth certificate says her mother is Jane Barnfield and we have always known her to be Jane Plaster (Plaister).

Her marriage certificate also has her father as Milburn Mann.

Maybe Jane Barnfield died and then Milburn married Jane Plaster in 1845.

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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 January 08 10:23 GMT (UK) »
Mystère!  There doesn't seem to be another marriage for Milburn, nor a death for Jane #1 in Tetbury  :P
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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 January 08 10:36 GMT (UK) »
It's almost like why did I buy this blooming birth certificate.
Can't find a marriage for MANN/BANFIELD.
I do have marriage for MANN/PLASTER.

Reason being is everyone thought Emma Jane Mann may of been christened Jane Plaster in 1845 by mother Jane Plaster.

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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 January 08 10:56 GMT (UK) »
Have you noticed that Jane (at least as far as I can make it out) isn't called Jane Mann formerly Barnfield but just Jane Barnfield ???

(I see Emma Jane's birth is indexed as both Mann and Barnfield anyway but you probably know that already)
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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 24 January 08 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Don't know if this will help any, but there is a Jane Barnfield in same area, age 13 mistranscribed as Banfield, father William.

1841 - HO107; Piece 362; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Tetbury

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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 24 January 08 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps you need to look at Plaster/Barnfield marriages? There is a Jane Plaster, 16, with possible mother Elizabeth in 1841, and also a Henry Plaster/Plaister whose parents on the IGI are William and Elizabeth.  I think Jane is on the IGI indexed as 'Haister'. William Plaster m. Elizabeth Bunting.

... on www.a2a.org.uk, there is a mention of a Richard "Bunting alias Barnfield", in Tetbury. (This isn't making things less complex, is it?)

I was wondering why I couldn't find this family on 1861/71/81, and then I saw this:

http://www.immigrantships.net/v5/1800v5/chance18600713.html
 - Jane/Emma Jane doesn't go with them? They left in April and she married in December quarter. I see she also has a daughter Emily A. Mann with her in 1861 (it seems they came to NSW later).

Births of six more children to Meilburn are listed in the NSW birth index, as well as children of Emma Jane (m. John Harris).  Also, several deaths and marriages for the family. The spelling of Milburn/Melbourne/etc's name changes a lot.

So, the question really seems to be: was the Jane who was the mother of Emma - Jane Plaster who later married her father (16 in 1841) - or was she Jane Barnfield (aged 13 in 1841) and Emma's father happened to marry another Jane.

I am not sure that Jane aged 13 in 1841 is actually the daughter of William and Weltham, incidentally   - they seem too old, and IGI shows they had another daughter Jane, ten years older, who married in 1838. She might be their granddaughter or some other relative. This Jane doesn't appear to have married in Tetbury - so what happened to her?
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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 24 January 08 18:42 GMT (UK) »
Don't you think Milburn is a wee bit young to be getting married in 1845?
death 1903 aged 72, makes him b about 1830?

Must be a mistake somewhere. The plot thickens.
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Re: Birth Certificate transcription
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 24 January 08 18:45 GMT (UK) »
He was 15 in 1841 and 25 in 1851 - probably more accurate  :)

(and the 1860 Ship list shows him as 34)
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