Black Country (Bilston) Friends and Neighbours - more names

[bilstonboy]

Just done a quick trawl through the first set of images I have from Holy Trinity register and found a few records wth names that have been mentioned here.  If they belong to any of you then let me know and I can transcribe them properly.

December 1841, Daniel Caddick s/o John and Mary(Maria) Manney, godmother Ellen (Helena) Caddick

March 1843 John Nicholls (or could be Nicholds) godfather to David Barwick s/o Patrick and Margaret (Reigney)

Aug 1851, Denis Durkan witness to marrige of Ambrose Cummins and Mary Ann Regan

June 1839 John Durkan s/o Patrick & Bridget (McDonney)

Dec 1846, John Durkin godfather to Catherine McDonough d/o Richard & Bridget (Fagan)

Oct 1852, Patrick Durkin, godfather to Mary Fahi d/o John & Mary (or Maria) (Kelly)

The handwriting is not good and some of the pages badly faded so apologies in advance for inaccuracies.

[bilstonboy]

Hi Dudley.  I was interested to see that you are searching holy trinity RC church  baptismal records (At Bilston or St Chads Bham?)  I was born in Oxford st near the church in 1935, now retired in Anglesey. Have been trying for some time to locate my Paternal grand father who I was told when I was small was Irish. Both my parents died when I was young and none of the remaining aunts etc on my mothers (Harrison) side would talk about it.  Seemed strange as my surname, Herrington is not very Irish (though Harrington is)  Mystery partially solved when I got copies of my fathers birth cert.--Thomas Herrington b 11.09.1903 mother Caroline Herrington---no father named!!  Exactly the same with his older brotherJohn b. 22.03.1897. and his younger sister Kathleenb. 29.06.1909 So that why the Harrisons wouldnt tell me anything!! I wonder if you spot anything in the Church record as to fathers name (or godparents) you could let me know. I had been planning to do a search myself but only return to the Midlands occasionally

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi Bilstonboy

I am reading the registers (on film) at St Chad's and will look out for your Herringtons. 

At present, I am trying to transcribe the index of baptisms into a searchable (Access) database but I am only up to the middle of the "C" entries so no Herrington baptisms so far.  It could be several months before I get that far as there are a lot of baptisms at that church.

There are a couple of Brooks entries in the 1870s with father John Brooks and mother Anne Herrington or Errington (spelling in these registers is very variable).  Could they be related to you?

[judijee]

Hi everyone.  I'm new to rootschat, but I've been following the Bilston input with interest as my mother's family were from there.  I've managed to trace the various branches of the family back to around 1790 - surnames include Fowler, Shale, Ferrington and Johnson.  In the 1820s and 1830s my gt-gt-gt-grandfather, Thomas Fowler, was a japanner and also publican of the Old Crown in Bridge Street.  His wife's brother-in-law, Sam Holloway, had the Horse & Jockey in Church Street.  Thomas Fowler's son, William, was first at the Leopard, and then at the Castle, both Church Street.  Sometime in the 1870s my gt-gt grandmother Rebecca Fowler (née Ferrington) took over the licence of the Horse & Jockey from her second husband, Peter Nixon, and she was still there until shortly before her death in 1896.  Can anyone tell me if this is the same Horse & Jockey whose address is now Robert Wynd?  Is Robert Wynd a modern extension of Church Street?

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Judijee

Welcome to Rootschat!

The Horse and Jockey is still in Church Street the one in Robert Wynd is more Sedgley than Bilston

Is this your website? http://beehive.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/default.asp?WCI=SiteHome&ID=15110&PageID=96085 or have I just found you a load of info 

Willow x

[judijee]

Hi Willow

Thanks for that info - I'm glad the old family place is still standing.  And yes, you're right, that's my genealogy website.   There's quite a lot of info there that I've collected over the past eight years or so - ever since the 'back to the past' bug bit me!

- judijee

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi Judigee and Willow,
Welcome to rootschat Judigee,

I think I see a connection there but can't quite work it all out (a few missing links perhaps).

Willow and I are possible connected by an Elizabeth Vincent Shale who married a William Dudley.  There are pub connections here too as William and Elkizabeth were living at, and managing the Golden Cup in 1891.

I think that Elizabeth parents were probably Joseph Shale and Maria (nee Lowe).

I see from your website that you have a Shale - Vincent connection much further back and wondered if that was where Elizabeth's second name came from?

[judijee]

Hi DudleyWinchurch

Thanks for the welcome!  I think a lot of the really old Bilston families (living in the town before the 1850s) intermarried, so there's a strong probability that Elizabeth Vincent Shale was connected to my own Shales, but by a different line of descent.   Surnames used as middle names were either given to keep a family name going, or because it was the name of a godparent - my grandfather was Thomas Nixon Fowler, his brother was Henry Howard Fowler, and one of his sisters was Elizabeth Shale Fowler.

I see you and Willow have Bilston Lowes in your ancestry.  So do I.  Hannah Lowe married William Fenn in 1794, six months after she'd given birth to their son Robert, from whom I'm descended.  I don't think it was a marriage made in heaven, because both of them had been committed to Stafford Assizes in April that year charged with bastardy (an offence in those days).

Another name you've mentioned is Obadiah Johnson.  Is he the same individual who has a rather handsome memorial in St Leonard's church (I think he was a sidesman or warden)?

- judijee

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi Judigee,

I don't know of the memorial at St Leonard's but their were several Obadiah's in the same family.  Obadiah who married Nancy Dudley seems to have lived approx. 1781 to 1835.  Could it be him?

His son Obadiah (also spelt Obediah) was a catholic so would not expect him to hold a significant position in the CofE, although baptised at St Leonard's in 1823.

There was also a Johnson - Lowe connection, as Rhoda, daughter of Obadiah and Nancy seems to have married a William Lowe in 1841.