Black Country (Bilston) Friends and Neighbours - more names

[RoDe]

Hi Roy and Trees,

what a good idea to add links to local resources here too.

Don't forget www.FREEREG.org already has a lot of transcriptions for Bilston (and also for Wolverhampton, St Peter's where many of the marriages took place).

Also the Wolverhampton Archives web site not only has older register transcriptions for Bilston, St Leonard's and W'ton, St Peters but also lists of the victims and the families receiving groceries (presumably because they were quarantined) during the 1832 Bilston Cholera epidemic.

Thanks Dudley. I knew about FREEBMD but not FREEREG. Just done a search for my great great grandfather Abraham Harris but no result found. Can only assume it's one that hasn't yet been transcribed.  Had already planned to visit Stafford Records Office to search for his d.o.b. but may use Wolverhampton archives instead, if as you say, they hold St Leonard's records as there is other research I need to do there.
Cheers

[Trees]

Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yours
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same  house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors

Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees

[Trees]

Ignore the last of course you are after Abraham T not Thomas Harris there is an Abraham T on the 1881 in Bilston he is son of John Hnry !852and Sarah RG11 2813 sc 44 Bilston St 2 Smith's buildings They have Hannah  5 and Sarah E 3
Trees

[Dartmoor]

  A long shot!!!

               Any Durkins?

                   Jackie.

Found this record above my ancestor in the RC Bilston parish records it is written in Latin as are the names:

17 April 1842 baptism
Sara (Sarah) ALLIGAN
Daughter of Jacob (James) ALLIGAN and Maria (Mary) DURKIN (DUNKAN)
Witness Maria (Mary) Conway

[jacquelineve]

 Thanks to you both Dudley + Dartmoor for Durkin info,

sadly can't see a connection to my D's.

   Your time appreciated.

              Jackie.

[RoDe]

Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yours
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same  house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors

Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees

Hi Trees
Thanks very much for the info. Looks a good shot.

Firstly my grandfather was born at 2 Bilston Street, Millfields but can't find this Bilston Street on the A-Z, only Bilston Street names in other areas of Wolverhampton/Darlaston/Wednesfield. It most likely has been redeveloped but will be checking this out at Wolverhampton archives in due course. Although the John Henry above was living at number 65 in 1891 the family may well have moved between my grandfathers birth in 1880 and 1891.

Secondly, the age looks right for John Henry who was born in 1851. The one year difference could be accounted for by age rounding up at the time the census was taken.

Thirdly, my grandfather's birth certificate shows his father (John Henry) as Ironworker.

Fourthly, although my great great gradfather (Abraham) had a daughter called Mary she would have been aged 32 in 1891 so the Mary shown above can't be great grandfathers daughter.

Lastly, John Henry's wife was Sarah Hughes so could well have been related to the other Hughes shown.

A tenuous link is that of John Henry's daughters Sarah and Fanny.  Great great granddad (Abraham) also had daughters in 1861 with the same names. There seems to be a history of naming Harris children after ancestors (three Abrahams in four generations). Very original the Harris clan.

On the question of census returns I haven't yet really been delving into this very much but will have to start very soon.  Again, thanks very much for the information.  Hope I can return the favour in due course.
Rgds
Roy

[RoDe]

Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yours
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same  house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors

Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees

Hi Trees
Thanks very much for the info. Looks a good shot.

Firstly my grandfather was born at 2 Bilston Street, Millfields but can't find this Bilston Street on the A-Z, only Bilston Street names in other areas of Wolverhampton/Darlaston/Wednesfield. It most likely has been redeveloped but will be checking this out at Wolverhampton archives in due course. Although the John Henry above was living at number 65 in 1891 the family may well have moved between my grandfathers birth in 1880 and 1891.

Secondly, the age looks right for John Henry who was born in 1851. The one year difference could be accounted for by age rounding up at the time the census was taken.

Thirdly, my grandfather's birth certificate shows his father (John Henry) as Ironworker.

Fourthly, although my great great gradfather (Abraham) had a daughter called Mary she would have been aged 32 in 1891 so the Mary shown above can't be great grandfathers daughter.

Lastly, John Henry's wife was Sarah Hughes so could well have been related to the other Hughes shown.

A tenuous link is that of John Henry's daughters Sarah and Fanny.  Great great granddad (Abraham) also had daughters in 1861 with the same names. There seems to be a history of naming Harris children after ancestors (three Abrahams in four generations). Very original the Harris clan.

On the question of census returns I haven't yet really been delving into this very much but will have to start very soon.  Again, thanks very much for the information.  Hope I can return the favour in due course.
Rgds
Roy

An afterthought. Thomas Hughes could be a brother of John Henry's wife Sarah.

[RoDe]

Rode have you seen the 1891 census for Bilston? This is amazing if it turns out to be yours
RG12 2242 fo 62 p29
There are three households that could be interesting
Sch 124 8 Back 65 Bilston St 3rms
John Hnry HARRIS 39 Iron wks lab
Sarah wife 40
Annie 15 tin worker
Sarah 18
Priscilla 7
Fanny 4
In the same  house but also having 3 rm sch 125
Thomas HUGHES 33 iron wrkr
Susanna wife 29
Annie 2
John 5mnth
Finally sch 127 10 Back 65 Bilston St
Mary J HUGHES 1821 France!
John HUGHES38 son Iron wkr
Mary HARRIS Gd Daur18 Tin wkr
Thomas Gd Son Born 1881
There are also 2 visitors

Now do any of these names ring bells Have we stumbled on both your Hughes and Thomas Harris were they cousins??
Trees

Hi Trees
Thanks very much for the info. Looks a good shot.

Firstly my grandfather was born at 2 Bilston Street, Millfields but can't find this Bilston Street on the A-Z, only Bilston Street names in other areas of Wolverhampton/Darlaston/Wednesfield. It most likely has been redeveloped but will be checking this out at Wolverhampton archives in due course. Although the John Henry above was living at number 65 in 1891 the family may well have moved between my grandfathers birth in 1880 and 1891.

Secondly, the age looks right for John Henry who was born in 1851. The one year difference could be accounted for by age rounding up at the time the census was taken.

Thirdly, my grandfather's birth certificate shows his father (John Henry) as Ironworker.

Fourthly, although my great great gradfather (Abraham) had a daughter called Mary she would have been aged 32 in 1891 so the Mary shown above can't be great grandfathers daughter.

Lastly, John Henry's wife was Sarah Hughes so could well have been related to the other Hughes shown.

A tenuous link is that of John Henry's daughters Sarah and Fanny.  Great great granddad (Abraham) also had daughters in 1861 with the same names. There seems to be a history of naming Harris children after ancestors (three Abrahams in four generations). Very original the Harris clan.

On the question of census returns I haven't yet really been delving into this very much but will have to start very soon.  Again, thanks very much for the information.  Hope I can return the favour in due course.
Rgds
Roy

An afterthought. Thomas Hughes could be a brother of John Henry's wife Sarah.

Hi again Trees
Apologies. Didn't totally look at the information from your earlier post but having now done so it has probably answered another, previously unanswered, question.
My sister has said to me that our grandfather, Abraham Thomas, had said to her as a young girl that his mother was french but I have already disproved this as his mothers name was Sarah Hughes which I have already stated is almost certainly the same Sarah Hughes on the 1891 census. What has now taken my attention is Mary J. Hughes born 1821 in France. Could this be Sarah Hughes' mother and the french connection I would in due course have been looking for?  The age would be about right to be Sarah's mother.

The link therefore is - grandfather Abraham Thomas Harris B.1880---------father John Henry Harris B.1851---------wife Sarah Hughes B.1851--------her mother Mary J. Hughes B.1821 France

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I am assuming that the Hughes and Harris families were related by marriage.
Looks as though I will have to take a trip to France at some time in the future.
Thanks very much again for the excellent detective work.

[Dartmoor]

Hi Bilston Friends & Neighbours!

Please let me know if you come across this MAHER family in your Bilston research:

Daniel (born 1798-1806 Ireland - died before 1871)
Mary (born 1801-1811 Ireland - died before 1871)
Henry (born about 1836 Grays Essex) Married to Ann Children Henry and Daniel
Charlotte (born about 1839 Staffordshire - died before 1851)
John (born 26th March 1842 Bilston died 1902) Married Ellen Humm 9 Children born in London
James (born about 1846 Bilston)

Ellen (born about 1761 Ireland died before 1851)
Thomas (born 1806 Ireland)

The name is pronouced Marr rather than M'her and is often written phonetically.  Variants I've found include:

MAHER, MARR, MAR, MARS, MARE, MEAR, MAYER, MAYOR, MYERS, MEIR, MEAGHER, MEIER

The labouring iron and coal workers family lived on Oxford Street, Bilston.

All help is very much appreciated!