Black Country (Bilston) Friends and Neighbours - more names

[Willow 4873]

Hmm

Did you know that Bilston had over 100 pubs at one time? most of them have vanished now including the Golden Cups

Willow x

[DudleyWinchurch]

Hi Willow,

I knew the Golden Cup had gone, as I went looking for it.  I asked at the bar in the Greyhound and Punchbowl but the staff were too young to remember it but one of the customers did and pointed out where it had stood (approximately opposite).

When you think that there used to be a yard with at least half a dozen houses behind every couple of buildings on all the main streets, it's no wonder that they need fewer pubs these days.  The population must have shrunk a lot and without the heavy industrial work it's not so good to be drinking so much beer.

I am amused that several of the family were involved, at least part time, in the pub business.  Occupation Engineer/Publican seems pretty good to me.

My dad must have inherited something of it as he made home-made wines as a hobby (plum, gooseberry, etc), and also home-brewed ginger-beer when we were little.

Sheila

[Willow 4873]

Hiya Sheila

Yes the Golden Cups was where the Lidl is now. I worked in the Swan up the road at the time and when they were knocking everything down we didn't know if that would go too

These are from an 1830's directory - the ones in red are still there (no doubt someone will tell me if I'm wrong on any)

INNS
Fox - James Gilbert, Church Street; King's Arms ( Commercial & Excise Office ) - John Tomkys, Church Street

TAVERNS & PUBLIC HOUSES
Acorn - George Edwards, Pinfold St. ; Admiral Nelson - Benj. Butler, Ettingshall Lane; Anchor - Benjamin Collins, Deepfield; Angel - John Bowen, Hall Street;; Balloon - Benjamin Willetts, High Street; Barley Mow - Richard Hickin, Mill Street; Big Coal - John Lawley, Pinfold Street; Black Horse - Joseph Blewitt, Brierley ; Black Horse - Ezekiel Morris, High St ; Blue Bell - Jas. Atherton, Wolverhampton Street ; Blue Boar - Jas.Hateley Francis, Oxford Road; Boat - Isaac Hill, Deepfield; Boot & Slipper - John Bennett, Lady Moor; Britannia - Isaac White, Hall Green; Brown Lion - George Perry, Oxford Road; Bull & Mouth - Geo. Adderley, High Street; Bull's Head - Phineas Bullock, High Street; Bull's Head - Ths. Carter, Catchem's Corner; Bull's Head - John Smith, Church St; Bull's Head - Benjamin Webb, Deepfield; Bush - John Jeavon, Bradley; Cape of Good Hope - (.....) Hartshorne, Wolverhampton Street, ; Castle - Samuel Spencer, Church Street; Coach & Horses - (.....) Preston, Coseley Row; Cock - William Tompkys, Church Street; Crown - Thomas Fowler, Bridge Street; Crown - Edward Hand, Hall Green; Crown & Anchor - John Hall, Coseley Row; Duke of Wellington- Richard Evans, Ettingshall Lane; Four Horse Shoes - Mary Harper, Broad Lane; George - Thomas Massey, Stafford Street; George & Dragon - Letitia Adderley, Broad Lane; George & Dragon - Edward Wootton, Hall Green; Golden Cup - John Tomkinson, High Street; Golden Lion - Wm. Howes, Church Street; Green Dragon - Cleman Hackwood, High Street; Greyhound - Robert Reeve, High Street (Greyhound & Punchbowl?); Hand & Bottle - Obadiah Johnson, Wolverhampton St; Hand & Keys - Jas. Foster , Wolverhampton Street; Hop Pole - Richard Chambers, Hall Street; Hope & Anchor - Thos. Walton, Duck Lane; Horse &.Jockey - Sml. Holloway, Church Street; King's Head - Joseph Shale, Field Lane; Lamb & Flag - Wm. Banks, Shropshire Row; Leopard - John Fellows, Church Street; Malt Shovel - Wm. Brown, Oxford Road; Malt Shovel - Susanh. Holford, Church Street; Mermaid - Richard Hall, Shropshire Row; Nag's Head - John Hickman, Wolverhampton Street; Noah's Ark - Thomas Lea, Wolverhampton Street; Old Bird-in-Hand - Wm. Nagington, High Street; Old Bush - Job Hickman, Wolverhampton St; Old Crown - Joseph Maybury, Crown St; Old Rose - Sarah Banks, Church St; Recruiting Serjeant - Jos. Hartill, High Street; Red Cow - Edward Evans, Bridge St; Red Lion - Edward Smith, Daisy Bank; Rising Sun - John Thompson, Deepfield; Roe Buck - James Nash, Bridge St; Rolling Mill - Edward Jones, Ettingshall; Rose & Crown - Joshua Granger, Field Lane; Royal Oak - Jas. Clapperton, Shropshire Row;Sampson & Lion - Jos. Hateley, Green Croft Seven Stars - Thos. Busst, High Street (now a baby shop); Shakespeare - John Shayshut, Market Street; Ship & Rainbow - Emnl. Jennings, Oxford Road; Sir John Moore - Ann Baker, High Street; [Spread Eagle - Wm. Taylor, Lichfield Street ; Swan - John Lloyd, Swan Bank (Swan Bank Tavern - locally called 'The Stump'); Turk's Head - Thos. Nagington, High Street ; Union Mill - Wm. Russell, Catchem's Corner ; Vine - Timothy Brooks, Market Street; Wagon & Horses - Jos.Fletcher , Broad Lane; Wagon & Horses - James Walters, Oxford Road , New town; Waterloo - John Cox, Ettingshall; Waterloo - Elizth. Fellows, Oxford Road, New town; Wellington - Jno. Hopkin, High Street; Wheat Sheaf - Benj. Huck, Oxford Road, New town; White Horse - Thos. Cardall, High Street; White Lion - Frances Selman, Mill Street

You would have been very drunk on a pub crawl!

The Old White Rose in Lichfield Street would have been there in 1830's because its a coaching inn dating from the 1700's but maybe it was called something else then

Willow x

[DudleyWinchurch]

Willow,

thanks for the list but surely there are more pubs than that in Bilston now, or have they all changed names/ been replaced by new ones?

I can see Obadiah (Johnson) who I think is related but can't yet prove it.  Also Phineas Bullock, but in 1830 that may not be the one that I am very indirectly related to (but perhaps a relative of his).  And is that Joseph Shale the father of Elizabeth V. or another one?

I also had relatives living at the Noah's Ark at one time.  And others, much later, at the Hop Pole.

I wonder if the licencing authority keep lists of the licencees, according to establishment, or maybe the pubs themselves.  That would be a fun way to do the family history research.      

Sheila

[painterlady]

I have only one set of people from Bilston and doubt some of that as the children seem to be said to be have born wherever they were currently living, mostly Walsall. The fairly sure thing is Richard Jones christened 15 Aug 1813 to John and Mary (IGI) married to Jane Perry or Perry from Shrewsbury in Rushall 1836. I would love to know more about Richard's parents and her (but they probably didn't meet in Bilston) . This has been a fascinating series of posts and growing all the time, what a great idea.

[Willow 4873]

HIya Sheila

Yes theres a lot more in Bilston now but they are later than that 1860s list

Joseph was keeping 'The Old Brown Jug' in 1861 in Bilston so yes it probably was him in 1860 keeping the 'Kings Head'

Willow x

[mandychap]

I have a rhoda harthill in my family tree, she married robert williams in 1854. they married in Sedlgey Parish Church. She later married John Newbrook. I think Rhodas father was called Thomas. Rhoda was living at 1 Broadlanes Coseley. She died aged 81 she was then livng with my Grandfather Robert Williams and his wife Margaret.

[woody123]

Hi,

Alot of my Wood ancestors come from the Bilston area and they later moved onto Wordsley & Rowley Regis.

I'll just name a few.

Littleton Wood (b.bilston) married Mary Ann Bennett (b.bilston) in 1834, they later moved to Dudley.

John Wood (b.bilston/coseley) married Elizabeth Page (widow) in 1809(b.bilston/coseley) and they married in Bilston.

John Wood married Ann Evans (both born in Bilston) in 1824 in Harborne but they were Butcher & Shopkeeper.

many others of my Wood family were miners, boatman & carpenters.

Let me know if anything sounds familiar.

[juliem27]

Hi,

I am new to the message boards today ! And seeing as you have a brilliant Bilston thread already going, thought I would like to join in please !

I am trying to find out some information on an Alfred Edwards, who was a " licensed publican / victualler " and resided at 14, Bilston Street, Sedgley in 1901. He is on the 1901 census, married to a Isabella Edwards ( nee Cooper ) and they had 2 children, Isabella and Florrie at that time.

If anybody could tell me how to find out more information on the pub / pubs in the local area in 1901 and how I could maybe access publicans details, I would be most grateful. I don't know the area well but live In Tamworth so distance isn't a problem.

Many Thanks.

Julie