St. Peter le Bailey

[woozle]

Hi everybody
Looking for St. Peter le Bailey, Oxford in the IGI Batch Numbers I find the following:
“Saint Peters Le Bailey Or New Road Chapel Dissenters Or Congregational”.
Looking at the names on the relevant pages all marriages and christenings are listed under this long name and no distinction is made between, say, those married in St. P le B and those in the New Road Chapel. This leads me to think that they are one and the same thing. I have found nothing on the net to clear this situation up.
The Bishop’s transcripts for Oxford give a pair of my ancestors marrying in St Peter le Bailey in 1819 and I though they were just your usual run of the mill Christians.
But two questions now arise.
1) were they in fact dissenters/Congregationalists? (oh please somebody say yes! as this would possibly solve a lot of my problems)
2) does the entry in the BTs for oxford intend the parish and not necessarily a specific church?

So far I have always taken it that the parish and the church went hand in hand unless otherwise specified.

Does anyone know anything about St. Peter le Bailey?
Thanks
Woozle yet again

[DebbieG]

Hi Woozle

I have transcripts for the C of E church St Peter Bailey in Oxford - do you want to give me details of the marriage and I will check whats in the register?

Debbie

[woozle]

Hi again Debbie
Thanks. The entry I found reads:
William Stimpson and Ann Wake, 4th October 1819 St. Peter le Bailey, Oxford.  Lodgers (in the parish). Marriage. Witnesses. Jno Flory and John Brookes.
I'm afraid that's all I have.
Cheers
Woozle.

[DebbieG]

Ok  that marriage took place in Peter Bailey parish church by banns,  that's the only other bit of info given,  but thinking about it I am fairly sure that all marriages had to take place in C of E churches at that time,  it was only later in the century that non-comformist chaples could be licensed for marriages,  so if you get a family and you can only find marriages and burials it is usually a good indicater that they were chaple people.

Debbie

[woozle]

Hi Debbie
 Thanks again. First off the new about the Banns allows me to stop thinking about finding  a license.  This was a bit of info that I didn't have.
I think you are probably right about CofE marriages being the rule. William's son was by all accounts a religious headcase, Wesleyan. He moved from Fyfield to Oxford St. P le B to get married and then went back to fyfield. I wondered whether this was for church reasons however I don't know enough about 19th century religious stuff even to make an informed guess. Though now I come to think of it, his children were all baptised in St. Nichs CofE in Fyfield. All very complicated. Just give me a pen,  some paper and 25 minutes in a time machine and I'd sort out everyone's problems.
It's is also strange that  a Cof E church was lumped together in the IGI with non-conformists. Maybe they hired out the church to non-conformists. 
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
Woozle

[Peonynon]

Hi,

I know this may seem a bit far fetched.  But St Giles fair is held at the start of September.  See

http://www.headington.org.uk/oxon/stgiles/fair/

Did they meet at the fair?  Oxford was a very big employer for domestic servants with all the universities, so Ann could have been in service in Oxford?

Oxford is the main town for Fyfield (even today).  Where did your Ann Wake come from - their is one on the IGI from Eynsham who would have been about 15 when she married.  Maybe William moved to Oxford so that he only had to pay for one set of Banns to be read out.   

Peony

[woozle]

HI Peony. Thanks.
No too far fetched. I would imagine that hiring fairs would be a vital part of any young man's life at that time. Ann was born in 1796 in Northmoor, Oxon. so it puts her close. I didn't know that Oxford was Fyfield's main town. I always supposed Abingdon but if you're going to  look for work then i imagine you'd go to the biggest town. As they were both listed as lodgers in the parish  perhaps they both moved up to Oxford to look for work. He (they) may then have moved back to William's birth place either because the didn't find work or perhaps after a year or so when (if they're anything like me) they couldn't stand the hustle and bustle of city life and want to the country for a bit of mud and toil. It's worth looking into.
I'll take a look at the link you sent.
Thanks for your help

[Peonynon]

Hi,

I have recently found out that I have ancestors from Fyfield as well.  We live in the area and I have recently taken some photo's of the church.  PM me with an email address if you would like a copy of one.  I will try and downsize them!

Whilst Abingdon is the nearest market town and quite important, Oxford is the county town and the Universities are big employers.  It is on the Thames and also on the A40.  Which used to be the main coaching route from Gloucester (docks), via Cheltenham and Oxford to London.

I think I need to look at what was going on in the area at this time.  My ancestors seemed to live in Fyfield from when the records began.  Then in 1780 one of them moved to Didcot for a generation, then on to Buckingham.

A time machine would be useful!

Peony

[petest]

Hi Woozle,
I have great interest in James Stympson bap at Marcham on 12-Apr-1778 S/O William & Mary. He was my 4X G grandfather. Does he link into your line at all.
Regards
Pete Stimpson