Information on a death certificate 1910

[alfraser]

I've found my Great, great Grandfathers death on Scotlands people and viewed the record. He died in 1910 at the age of 63 years. If I order the death certificate will I find any additional information beyond that shown on-line?

So far I have him on the census for 1871 to 1901 and each time he is listed as born in Ireland. I have his parents names from the death certificate and also his 1868 marriage certificate. What I'm hoping to find is some clue as to where in Ireland he originated. Will the certificates or church registers help with this?

Many thanks.

[MonicaL]

Hi Alfraser

The image that you have viewed on line is the cert. and is what you would receive if you ordered an official extract.

Unfortunately, if it hasn't come  up on any of his official registration records to date in Scotland where he came from in Ireland, you're unlike to find this info elsewhere.

Church records ~ I don't know to be honest. I normally only use the official BMDs. Maybe someone else could comment. It might help if you posted what religion/Church he belonged to.

Regards.

Monica 

Added:

Have you managed to find any siblings for him in Scotland. It may be that their place of birth may have been recorded in one of the censuses....

Another option, if he came over with his parents and more children were born here, the Scottish siblings' birth certs should show the parents' marriage including date and place of marriage in Ireland.

[alfraser]

Many thanks Monica. The marriage entry seems to state the marriage took place in the Church of Scotland. To be honest this was surprising as his son (Thomas) later married as a Catholic and the family have been Catholic since then. It's thrown up a bit of a mystery. I'm assuming now that thomas married into a Catholic family. As for his father (Alexander Hall) the only clues I have are the name, his mothers maiden name (Irvine, which I believe is more likely to be a protestant name) and that his father (Robert) is listed as a farner. I can't find any hint of siblings staying with him in any of the census returns and he first appears as a newly married 20 something which makes me think he left his family in Ireland as opposed to moving over with them. He also seems to always take lodgers into his home in each of the census returns. Looks like people he works with and all born in Ireland. Do all these hypothesies ring true?

[MonicaL]

You might want to try IGI at www.familysearch.org for either a marriage for the parents (probably unlikely if they were RC) but if you are lucky they might have carried on having children through to official reg. in which case by doing a parent search something may show.

What was the first name of Thomas's father (Alexander or Robert) and his mother?

Regards.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Ok, I can see it was Alexander, father Robert, who then had son Thomas 

Did Alexander marry in Scotland or Ireland?

Monica

[alfraser]

Hi Monica, many thanks for you help. In answer to your questions:

Alexander Hall married in Cathcart, Renfrewshire, Scotland in 1868 at the age of 22. His wife Elizabeth Morton was 24 and a widow (previous married name Reid by the look of the marriage entry). The marriage took place in the Church of Scotland.

Alexander and Elizabeth had six children of which my great grandfather Thomas was the youngest, born in 1885. Thomas went on to marry in the Catholic church in 1912. His wifes family were Catholic and from Banffshire and I have their marriage confirming this.

Alexanders parents were Robert Hall and Isabella (maiden name Irvine). His fathers occupation is described as farmer.

The only other clue I have as to Alexanders origin is that there is a William Paisley who is witness to the marriage in 1868. Living with the family in 1871 there is a George Paisley aged 25 years (ie the same age as Alexander) who was also born in Ireland and works with Alexander in the gas works. I'm hoping George / William may have later records which state where in Ireland they came from and that they / he were childhood friends of Alexander.

Kind regards

Alastair.

[MonicaL]

This looks like the William Paisley who acted as witness to Alexander's marriage in the 1871 Census in Cathcart Renfrewshire:

William Paisley 29, lab. b. Ireland
Margaret Paisley 30
Margaret Paisley 1
George Paisley    7 days
Alexander Williamson    18, brother in law b. Slinston, Orkney
France McEman    25, lodger b. Edinburgh

...but no sign of him after this census.  Similarly a possible entry for a George Paisley in Renfrewshire in 1881 showing just Ireland and then nothing more.

I've checked quickly on Ancestry for Paisley showing as born in Ireland between 1881-1901 (very few entries surprisingly) and none show more than Ireland as birth place 

Regards.

Monica