Shields Shiels Shiells Nute Nisbet

[f1rocco]

Im guessin in 1901 Peter Shiells wife Ellen Nute Shields of 84 John Street had a sister Bessie Nute 89 John st who had a child Emily Nute Thompson 89 John St who married Georges Shiels brother in law  Robert Thompson...Whos family earlier took care of more of Georges kids after he died.....Meanwhile Mrs Bessie Nute flirted with neighbor John Gibson at 89 John ST and married....

[AMBLY]

Hi Jason

I wouldn't get too excited    about the 2 appearances of the surname THOMSON - one in Glasgow and one in Northumerland......it's a very common name all over........I am guessing you don't actually know the forname of Emily's husband....

Lets look logically:

We think George SHIELDS born abt 1828 married a Jane THOMSON. in 1864 in England.
We think Jane died in 1870 in England, leaving her widower with young 2 boys.
We think these 2 boys are in the houshold of their maternal Grandfather THOMSON in 1871, and also in the house is possibly their uncle, Robert THOMSON born abt 1842.

Ellen SHIELLS nee NUTE (we believe her husband to be the illigitimate son of George) had a sister, we believe,  named Bessie NUTE.

We believe Bessie NUTE had a illigitimate daughter in England in 1873, named Emily NUTE.
Emily - by now in Scotland -  married a man named THOMSON in 1892*(?)  He was - apparently, dead by 1901.

In 1892 our Emily NUTE was about 19 years old.
In 1892 that Robert THOMSON would be about 50 years old.

Did Emily NUTE really marry her aunt's husband's iiligitimate-father's brother-in-law......who was 30 years her senior ?? Seems unlikely to me....stranger things have happened I guess, but .....

SP  - via a free search - has the marriage indexed for Emily NUTE to a THOMSON in 1892 Lanarkshire. I can't seem to get the search to return me even the initial of his forename - you would have to get the cert to find out who he was.  NUTE is an uncommon name, as Monica pointed out - so we can be quite confident (99.99%) this is our Emily's marriage.

Lateral thinking  is great fun, and a valuable tool -   but the proving of a lateral thought to be true is better fun - that proof coming from as relaible documentation as we can find, preferably from more than one source. ( even the disproving is OK, as a positive negative is as also good to have!).  Having gotten so many new names wishing to set root in your Family garden it's now important  I think, to look at them one by one and gather all you can on each. By doing that, you will undoubtedly unearth surprise connections , confirm connections and  find lost people on the way (my personal favourite bit!).

Scottish certificates post-1855 are a genalogist's dream for the UK. And SP has them reasonaly priced  to purchase on-line - as you have seen, many leaps can be made with a few strategic certificates. You will know this when you start getting English Certs, which are by far less informative in general and (gulp) if you ever have just casue to delve into things Irsh..... The plus side for English is that Civil Reg. started in 1837.


Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

....Emily Nute's husband was called WILLIAM Nute......

Jason, I'm sure this was just the speed of hand, but missing from your list of children to Peter and Ellen is probably (without having verified the birth certs) the following children who show as 'uncle' from the transcript in 1891:

Charles 11, Scholar, b Kinghtswood, Dumbartonshire
John 10, Scholar, b Glasgow

I think then you have a full list of their children, or as close as we are likely to get.

Regards.

Monica

[AMBLY]

Hi Monica  , Jason

William THOMSON and Emily NUTE 1892 Lanarkshire - and today I can get that on SP Index.....tried all the 'normal'  names last night, incl "Will*  and it just would not come up! hmmm!

Anyway! what I did find....

1891: Blythswood, Glasgow St David. LNK
Ref: Parish 644/7, ED 32, pg 11 - Household Schedule 55
Address: 89 John Street
Head: Elizabeth URIBE 71, b England (abt 1820)
Dau: Bessie URIBE 37, Umbrella Coverer, b England
Grand-Dau: Emily URIBE 18, b England
Lodger: Maggie MINNER 27, Umbrella Coverer b Glasgow
Lodger: James MINNER7, b Glasgow

In the same Schedule Peter and Ellen are enumerated from Household Schedule 58. - and apparently will appear on the same page of images.

Not doubt the image will show the name is NUTE!!
The Lodgers may just be that - and they may be somehow family.
Their surname might be MINER - but - only a but -  it looks kind of close to "MENNIE" too ...recalling that some 30 years earlier, Janet BLACKIE was married to  a MENIE/MENNIE.....might be worth looking into at some stage.

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

Ambly, you clever woman for finding this   

I haven't looked at the original image but we do have on SP:

1891   NUTE   BESSIE   37   BLYTHSWOOD   GLASGOW/LANARK   644/07 032/07 011   
1891   NUTE   ELIZABETH 71   BLYTHSWOOD   GLASGOW/LANARK   644/07 032/07 011   
1891    NUTE   EMILY   18   BLYTHSWOOD   GLASGOW/LANARK   644/07 032/07 011

Once again, 100 lines, never rely on Ancestry search results as being accurate.....

Monica 

[MonicaL]

...And from there, the deaths:

Mother: 1891   NUTE   ELIZABETH  64   BLYTHSWOOD   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/07 0586
Sister: 1928   NUTE   BESSIE       GIBSON  76   ST ROLLOX   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/08 0465
Granddaughter: 1956   NUTE   EMILY       HOOK THOMSON   83   PROVAN   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/11 0581

And son from the 1861 Census in Cornwall...he really is called Jabez (I thought it was another mistranscription by Ancestry!):

1935   NUTE   JABEZ    M   79   GREENOCK EAST   /RENFREW   564/01 0190

Jason, you must have this, but I will list for completeness:

1913   NUTE   HELEN       SHIELDS   F   57   CATHCART   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK/RENFREW   633/B0 0028

There are only 12 death entries showing in all of Scotland post 1891, including those above. You would think they were undoubtedly connected.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Jason

Ambly and I have said a number of times how lucky you have been on your trails....and once again, another mystery resolved with the death of Ellen and Bessie's mother in Scotland with their fantastic death certs info.  If Elizabeth had died in England, you would not have been able to confirm her parentage but with her death in Scotland, we now can....also clearing up for me the issue of Nute and Petherin .

Elizabeth is showing as widow to John Nute, iron stone miner (still not sure about whether she was actually married given she showed as unmarried on at least two censuses in England).  However, her parents were William NUTE, farm labourer and Ann PETHEREN. Daughter Ellen reported her death in December that year.

Monica

[f1rocco]

You gals are great.....Still seaching myself.....Wish I didnt have to work...Uuuurrrghhhh

[MonicaL]

WOW Jason - cool map.  Haven't seen one like that before - looks like a world invasion by the Blaikie, Shields and Nutes.

Some more names and detail to add......

I think I have found Elizabeth in 1851, indexed under the name of METE.  This post is getting a little long  to be jumping back and forth for reference, so I have included again the 1861 entry for the family below:

1861
Elizabeth Nute    44, head, unmarried, housekeeper, b. St Stephens Cornwall
Willice Nute    10, b. St Stephens Cornwall
Bessey Nute    8, b. St Stephens Cornwall
Ellen Nute    6, b. St Stephens, Cornwall
Jabez Nute    3, b. St Ives Cornwall
Charles Nute    2, b. St Ives Cornwall
Mary Jane Roberts 2, relative's child, Devonport, Devon

Address: St Ives, Cornwall


I think this is them in 1851 in St Stephens By Saltash Cornwall  ~ still no sign of John Nute, the reputed husband:

1851
Elizabeth NUTE31 schoolmistress (didn't expect this) b. St Stephens - still unmarried 
John S,NUTE  5, b. St Stephens
Willis NUTE, 7 months, b. Devonport Devon
Stephen NUTE, 25, brother, agr.  lab, unmarried,  b. St Stephens

Possible birth entry for some of the children, can't see anything as yet for Ellen and Bessie:

Births Dec 1846 
Nute    John Stephen     St Germains    9   114

Births Sep 1857 
Nute    Jabez      Liskeard    5c   62

Births Jun 1859 
Nute    Charles    Liskeard    5c   62



Thinking of a possible death for a John Nute Snr, these are the only ones coming up between 1855-70:

Deaths Dec 1860   
Nute    John        St. Germans (Cornwall)  5c   21

Deaths Dec 1865   
Nute    John         Tavistock (spans Cornwall and Devon)    5b   252   
 
Deaths Mar 1870 
Nute    John    70    Totnes (in Devon)    5b   154 ~ probably too old but who knows


Monica