Shields Shiels Shiells Nute Nisbet

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Wow....Thanks all....

I searched all day on my other sides of the family since I searched all the leads from the Shields side.........

Im reading the thread now.....Just wanted to thank you before I even read it.....


Big thanks to all.......I wanted to thank Wendy but appeared the Wendy might be Ambly so I didnt post the name....Sorry if I missed ya....Triple Thank You

Jason Shields

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I think I get it........

 Peter Blackie is Actually Peter Blackie Shields whos father was George Shields the Farmers son of Land owner John Shiels.....

Peter was the illegitimate child of Janet Blackie a farm workers daughter whose father was Alexander B Shields aka Alexander Blackie....The grandfather who raised Peter Shields.......

Im guessing this decision would have been made since the Shields would not allow such a wedding between a Farmers son and the laborers...



Cool Super Cool putting this puzzle together and what great luck was it to find the connection to Blackie......

Thanks

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Thanks I told myself I would quit searching after this....Not a chance...

Appears to be other Shields children born on the farm during these years......

Hmmmmmm...Scratches his head and knows where this is going..


George Shields Mofat
Born  May 14th 1849...Myles Farm, Tranent, Haddingtonshire, Scotland

http://genealogy.clanmoffat.org/familygroup.php?familyID=F41921&tree=ClanMoffat

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Not sure if these are also another connection...Dates fit for

George Shields

http://www.shiels.ca/family/GeorgeShiels1828.html

Names and dates fit for Ellen Shields

Peters wife Ellen Nute....My family info also gives Nute as the maiden

1851 Cornwall census

200,,Elizabeth Nute,Wife,M,,30,Sailors Wife,Penryn Cornwall,,
,,James Nute,Son,,5m,,Sailors Son,Penryn Cornwall,,Twin of John
,,John Nute,Son,,5m,,Sailors Son,Penryn Cornwall,,Twin of James

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/51911h.html

Bankruptcy of the Myers farm..John Shiels.............

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;msg=1640526;topic=280255.0;sesc=fb514c0a784f1de6abba7761427b72a9

[AMBLY]

Hi Jason

You're up and running now!

Nope, Wendy and I  are seperate 

Peter was the illegitimate child of Janet Blackie a farm workers daughter whose father was Alexander B Shields aka Alexander Blackie....The grandfather who raised Peter Shields.......

Not quite  .....Janet BLACKIE's father was Alexander BLACKIE - he and and his wife, also named Janet appear* to have raised their daughter Janet's son Peter.  When Peter married, he named a son   after his Grandad  by naming the boy: Alexander Blackie SHIELDS.

I say appear...., Peter in the BLACKIE household 1851 is understandable - so is his unwed mother. But Peter in the BLACKIE household in 1861 - in a new county, too, may or may not indicate they were raising Peter! He may simply have been visiting his Grandparents at the time, either for a period of time - or as simple as him sleeping in their house on Census night. His mother Janet, by all accounts  is living in 1861 - she was to die a widow in 1865. 

Now if I may romance on a bit......That Peter used the SHIELDS name may indicate, he had a personal relationship with George SHIELLS/SHIELDS and at some stage at least adopted the surname if he hadn't used it exclusively up until 1876 -  or it may indicate a doggedness on the part of the BLACKIE's  to ensure George or his family were at the very least kept publicly aware and reminded of George's indiscretion!

If only we could find:
Janet in 1861
Peter in 1871
Peter and Ellen in 1881

Cheers
AMBLY

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Im thinking.......

 George had some problems with the female help on the farm during 1849-1851 while in his early twenties.......Possibly two illegitimate children with two different woman...

Im also thinking he found out his father was George Shields after his mother Janet and grandfather Alexander Blackie  passed away and they were kicked off the farm by 1871....

Also odd that the census shows Georges father as not having a wife and only two children and a farmer with alot of acres of land in 1851.....Did she die....Or did John Shiells have the same habits as George might have had......Also no offspring of George I can find anywhere

Also if the link Ive added fits about the family farm going into bankruptcy and a Brother part owner Alexander Shields being in a heated battle with brother/owner John over money owed to try and save the farm....That would also match with Peter naming a child named Alexander in 1892..........


Thanks

Ive got 18 hours straight of family searching on all sides today......Ive gotta try to sleep now.....Until Tomorrow.......


Peter also seems to name his child George in 1893...Did he come to peace with his father.......George would have been 65 yrs old in 1893.....

[AMBLY]

George Shields Mofat
Born  May 14th 1849...Myles Farm, Tranent, Haddingtonshire, Scotland

Son of James MOFFATT and Joan POW

At first sight this may look like Peter's reputed father has a lot of answering to do - but I don't think so....

George Shields MOFFAT is the 3rd child, (and 2rd Son) of James &  Joan - and he appears to be legitimate born.

James MOFATT's father is named David, his mother is Janet,
Joan POW's father is named George, her mother is Isabella.

In the 1851 Census, James and Joan and their 3 children, David, Isabella and little George are indeed, at Myles Farm. James is an Ag Lab - likely in the employ of John SHIELS.

James & Joan named:
 their first son David - after James  father.
 their second Son George - after Joan's father (and perhaps a middle name 'Shields'  after their 'laird', quite a common Scottish thing to do if there was a strong loyalty and respect between worker and employer)
their first daughter Isabella  after Joan's mother
their second Daughter Jessie (pet form of Janet)  after James' mother.

Google "Scottish Naming Patterns" - it's a very useful tool with Scottish research, not always foolproof but very visible and fairly strictly adhered to in many a family, more so than with English families. It can and did create families with generations of the same names passed down, and with little parcels of cousins running about in the same parish, all named the same after their mutual grandparents      What helped sort them out, was the other common practice, to give a mother's or grandmother's maiden name as a middle name!

To keep the overall pattern, the 3rd Son should be named after his father - ie James (the 3rd son is Robert James, a slight deviation) . And the 3rd Daughter after the mother - ie Joan (which can be also rendered as Jean, Johan, Johanna, Johan )  in records - perhaps "Jessie" covered both Janet and Joan!

So - I've gone all round the world to say is.... I would bet this George Shields MOFFAT has nothing biologically to do with Peter's reputed  father.

Good find though!

Cheers
AMBLY

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I was busy thinking and writing the above at my lesiure - thought you'd gone for the night     

I can't seem to get into that Bankruptcy Link....     
You could be right about the Alexander thing - perhaps Peter did have a relationship with the SHIELL/DS family, and in naming his son Alexander Blackie, killed two birds with one stone (after his paternal Uncle and his maternal Grandad)....

Is there any indication  the BLACKIE's were 'kicked' off Myles farm by 1861 (when they appear in Midlothian) - certainly a plausible outcome of Peter's birth,,however

Alexander BLACKIE was elderly and a Pauper former Ag Lab there in 1851 - perhaps his time was simply 'up' for being on the farm....no sons to work in his place.... though, in saying - in 1861 he was enumerated as a Ploughman....

I think I did find John SHIELS with his wife on earlier Census - she probably died before 1851... will look it up again...

Might also be interesting to obtain the will of John SHIELS if he left one .......whatever he may have had to bequeath, he may have made mention of a grandson named Peter Blackie SHIELDS...you never know!

Soctland People does have an Entry in it's Wills section for a John SHIELS Residing in Court Street, Haddington, d. 20/06/1875 at Haddington, testate. Maybe?

Cheers
AMBLY

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Peter's mother Jane(t) BLACKIE.......think I may have her christening....

On the 1851, she was stated as born Tranent, East Lothian.
On the 1841, she alone of the family, is stated as NOT born in East Lothian.

Other of her parents' children were born in Midlothian - Musselbugh, Inveresk  and Cranston.....

IGI has:
Janet BLACKIE christened 24 Oct 1830, Cranston Midlothian
Father: Alexander BLACKIE
Mother not stated on this entry......

Cheers
AMBLY