Shields Shiels Shiells Nute Nisbet

[f1rocco]

So far thanks to this forum and incredible people offering assistance I found some new and exciting info.......Im now able to trace my family to around 1795-1851 timeline....I was told to try and post in this section for even more possible help.....

My oldest known relative  is

Alexander B. Shields born around 1795
He married Janet ? Shields

It appears that Alexander also went by the names 

Alexander Blackie
Alexander Sheals
Alexander Shields
Alexander B. Shields

Alexander Shields was the only listed Head of household of Grandson Peter Shields.....

Peter Shields was born around 1851 in TRANENT HADDINGTON...But in 1851 at 6 months old it appears that Peter goes by the name Peter Sheals living with his Grandfather Alexander Sheals in Tranent East Lothian....He also goes by Peter B. Shields...


Peter Shields aged 25 married Ellen Nute(in Cornwall untill 1871)aged 21 on the 14/4/1876 in Glasgow....Throughout the years they had children with known addresses.

89 John ST. in 1891
84 John ST. in 1901
457 Rutherglen Road in 1910
451 Rutherglen Road in 1910
   

Peter and Ellen children are believed to be

1891: Blythswood, Glasgow St David, Lanarkshire
Ref: Parish 644/7, ED 32, pg 11
Address: 89 John Street
Head: Peter SHIELDS 40, Wood Sawyer,  b Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Wife: Ellen 35, b England
Dau: Janet 10, Scholar, b Glasgow
Dau: Elizabeth 8, Scholar, b Glasgow
Son: Alexander 7, Scholar, b Glasgow
Son: James 4, Scholar, b Glasgow
Son: Peter 3, Scholar, b Glasgow
Dau: Mary Jane 4 months,  b Glasgow
Uncle:  Charles 11, Scholar, b Kinghtswood, Dumbartonshire
Uncle: John 10, Scholar, b Glasgow

1901: Blythswood, Glasgow St Paul, Lanarkshire
Ref: Parish 644/7, ED 19, pg 4
Address: 84 John Street
Head: Peter SHIELDS 50, Wood Sawyer,  b Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Wife: Ellen SHIELDS 45, b England
Son: WIlliam J SHIELDS 25, Law CLerk, b Glasgow
Son: Charles SHIELDS 24, Lip??  Assistant Agents (assistant) , New Kilpatrick, Invernesshire
Dau: Janet SHIELDS 20, Stationery & Gatecenick???  Asst , b Glasgow
Dau: Elizabeth SHIELDS 18, Ceyah??  Agents Assistant , b Glasgow
Son: Alexander SHIELDS 17, Telegraph Message, b Glasgow
Son: Peter SHIELDS 13, Scholar, b Glasgow
Son: James SHIELDS 11, Scholar, b Glasgow
Dau: Mary J. L. SHIELDS  10, Scholar, b Glasgow
Son: George SHIELDS 8, Scholar, b Glasgow
Son: Arthur J SHIELDS 3, b Glasgow
Neice: Elizabeth STEELE 49, General Servant Domestic, b Coatbridge Lanarkshire

Also appears to be that the first 4 children from Peter and Ellen were named after their parents...

Alexander/Janet/John(William J. figures to be William John or John William)/Elizabeth

Special Thanks to members here Ambly and Patrexjax  And Winston for the help and  motivation.....


Heres the link to the thread.......

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,278748.0.html

 

 

[MonicaL]

Hi f1rocco, Ambly and Wendy

Just been reading through to the link on the other board ~ phew girls, huge effort on your parts!

It's late here in the UK and brain's is leaving my body 

There looks to be a couple who were having children around the same time which will make things confusing, I can see this family with a number of children living in Gladsmuir in the 1861 Census. They also had a son Peter in the right time frame:

08/12/1850   BLACKIE   PETER   JOHN BLACKIE/MARY WILSON FR356   M   Ormiston   /EAST LOTHIAN   715/ 0020 0064
Birth from IGI looks to be: 05 NOV 1850

To recap slightly, from the other post, you have the 1851 census entry for Peter:

Alexander Blackie 59, head, pauper formerly ag. lab., b. Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Janet Blackie    66, wife, b. Gladsmuir, Haddingtonshire
Janet Blackie    18, daug., b Tranent, Haddingtonshire
John Blackie    38, son, co lab. b. Ormaston, Haddingtonshire
Peter Sheals    6 Months, grandson, b Tranent, Haddingtonshire

In 1861, we know that Peter was still living with Alexander and Janet:

Alexander Blackie 68
Janet Blackie    45 (?)
John Blackie    45
Peter Blackie    10, grandson

Address:  Chaulkside Farm Cottages, Inveresk Midlothian



F1rocco, I wouldn't be too concerned about the spelling variations between Blackie/Blaikie and Sheals/Sheills/Shields, very much reflecting a sign of the times when spellings were not rigid and varied enormously. I am however curious about Blackie and Shields being used interchangeably, not a combination I have seen before.  Reasons there will be, not sure if we will make them out...

What were the names of Peter's parents from his marriage cert?

Regards.

Monica 

[MonicaL]

One last one before I go...

Alexander Snr. died in 1869:

1869   BLAIKIE   ALEXANDER  78   DIRLETON/EAST LOTHIAN   705/00 0003

Wife Janet's maiden name was Henderson and she had pre-deceased him. Parents John and Margaret (maiden name looks like Nap?in).


Some children showing for Alexander and Janet HENDERSON on IGI:

1. MARGARET BLAICKIE Christening: 08 FEB 1809 Cranston, Midlothian, Scotland
2. JOHN BLACKIE  Birth: 09 JUN 1811/ Christening: 30 JUN 1811 Ormiston, East Lothian, Scotland - who shows on the censuses?
3. MARY BLAIKIE Christening: 26 DEC 1813 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
4. ROBERT BLAIKIE Christening: 17 AUG 1816 Inveresk With Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
5. ALEXANDER BLAKIE Birth: 16 MAR 1825/ Christening: 04 APR 1825 Pencaitland, East Lothian, Scotland
5. PETER BLAKIE Birth: 16 JAN 1827/Christening: 19 FEB 1827 Pencaitland, East Lothian, Scotland

Monica

[AMBLY]

Hi Monica! Don't go!!

Hi Monica  Jason and Wendy - sorry didn't realise you were back on board, Jason (no notifications of updates on old msg  ) I was waiting for your return!

Monica -  the address of the 1851 Census was Myles Farm....I think that's a big clue...

Wendy  very kindly let me have a look at the 1876 marriage cert for Peter SHEILDS and Ellen NUTE. Now, the resolution was too low, and the copy poor quality for a 100% - but this is what I made it out to be for Peter SHIELDS, age 25 Wood Sawyer Journeyman. For his parentage,  I beleive it says - line by line:

George SHIELDS
Farmer 'Reputed  father'
and Jane(t?)  BLACKIE, -----------------?
of ---------------------? of Arthur?
Mennie??? ----?  ------? deceased.

I am sure it says "Arthur' - but  I might, I admit be wanting   it to say MENNIE  - there is a marriage of a Jane BLACKIE and Arthur MENNIE on the IGI, and on SP. I think the words I can't read about Jane(t) may be the clue to what became of her.
 
I also think  that for Ellen's parents it says her mother, as well as being Mrs NUTE, was M.S (maiden  Surname) NUTE.

And......I believe George SHIELDS was the Farmers son of Myles Farm, Tranent,  ....where of course, Peter was with his grandparents in 1851 ........ just getting the Census details now ...........

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

More pieces falling into place!

Add one more...confirming the faintly written maiden name for Alexander's mother I would think:

ALEXR. BLEAKIE  Birth:  22 JUN 1791   Christening:  03 JUL 1791  Seton, East Lothian, Scotland
Parents: JOHN BLEAKIE and MARGARET NISPER

Other children showing to John and Margaret NISPER:

1. ISOBELL BLEAKIE  Birth: 01 JAN 1797/Christening: 06 FEB 1797 Seton, East Lothian, ScotlandDeath: 16 FEB 1848
2. PETER BLEAKIE Birth: 19 APR 1788/ Christening: 27 APR 1788 Seton, East Lothian, Scotland
3. PETER BLEAKIE Birth: 01 MAR 1793/Christening: 08 MAR 1793 Seton, East Lothian, Scotland
4. JAMES BLEAKIE  Birth: 08 SEP 1800/ Christening: 28 SEP 1800 Seton, East Lothian, Scotland
5. MAITLAND BLEAKIE Birth: 13 NOV 1798 Seton, East Lothian, Scotland/ Marriage: 11 JUL 1824 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
6. JANNET BLEAKIE  Birth: 12 JUL 1789/ Christening: 31 JUL 1789 Seton, East Lothian, Scotland
7. CHARLES BLEAKIE Birth: 08 JUN 1795/ Christening: 14 JUN 1795 Cockenzie, East Lothian, Scotland


And submitted details on IGI for father John:

JOHN BLEAKIE  Birth:  NOV 1761      
Parents: PETER BLEAKIE    and JANET ANDERSON    
Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET NISPER    Marriage: About 1785 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland

Now, I really really am off to bed because I'll need these  in the morning ieven in a very wet and cold London morning

Monica



   

[MonicaL]

Ambly

I think you are spot on re George Shields ~ the farmer's son. I'll  leave you to post. So we have daughter Janet at home with parents at Myles Farm with her baby Peter son of farmer's son George.....PERFECT!!!  Doesn't always come through like that, in fact nearly never.

LUCKY LUCKY 

[MonicaL]

Just firming up the details you gave Ambly from Peter's MC. Mother Janet died young, father Alexander reported her death. She was already a widow....other name MENIE 

1865   BLAIKIE   JANET       MENIE   F   U   CRANSTON   /MIDLOTHIAN   680/00 0016

[AMBLY]

Oh! Whoopee! Great Monica!

This is Peter's VERY likey Dad - product the well off Farmers Son, and the poor Farm Labourers daughter......?

1851 : Myles farm, Tranent, East Lothian
Ref: Parish 722 / ED 8, pg 3
Head: John SHEILLS 56, Farmar Of 431 Acres Emploing 10 Middland 7 Farmar , b Westruther, Berickshire
Son: George SHEILLS 23, Farmers Son, b Crighton, Midlothan
Dau: Elizabeth SHIELLS 16, Famers Daughter, b Crighton, Midlothan
Servant: Margaret KNOX 21, House Servant, b Chavelkirk? , Berickshire
Servant: Neil CUNNINGHAM 23, Ag Lab, b Stanton, Haddingtonshire
Servant: ALexander YOUNG 20, Ag Lab, b Tranent, Haddingtonshire
Servant: Robert FISHER 18, Ag Lab, b Garvald, Haddington
Servant: John CURRIE 17, Ag Lab, b Peebles, Peebelshire

In 1851 Peter SHEALS, Grandson of Alexander BLACKIE and Janet, is at
Myles Farm, Tranent, East Lothian
Ref: Parish 722 / ED 8, pg 5

Jason - as Monica said - how lucky, lucky you are to have such a set of circumstances reagrding the illigitimate born (we assume) Peter! Not in the least that he apparently, actually went by his father's surname AND his father is so probably  identifable.  It's rather like a Catherine Cookson novel plot.    

Many people with an illigitimate ancestor come to a full stop with the birth certificate - and can only hope for eg, that the child is given the father's middle name as a clue, or they find some kind of Parish order or proceedings outlining and admonishing the parents for  the illigitimacy, etc.

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

As you say Ambly, a lot of acres 

Just for the record, this looks like the Blaikie 1841 entry, everyone showing as born in the county except for daughter Janet:

Alexr Blaikie    40
Janet Blaikie    55
Janet Blaikie    10 b. Scotland
John Blaikie    20
Peter Blaikie    13

Address:  Whinbush, Gladsmuir East Lothian

I really I'm off now...just over five hours and I'm on the school run!

Monica