Shields Shiels Shiells Nute Nisbet

[f1rocco]

I just found a Jabez Nute age 50 coming for England in 1910 to Coal Creek Colorado.....He writes that he has been in the USA from 1882-1892....Looks like he is bringing his mother Cathryn....

 

[AMBLY]

Me too, Monica - sorry to hear your news. As you say, a grand age indeed - but none the less sad when the time comes. God Bless!

Anne

[AMBLY]

And Jason

Was that Jabez to Coal Creek on Ellis Island ? It's on there anyway....at least, 1 is - for 1911 travelling alone.....I saw it before I went 'orf with me 'edache before....

Did you also see, Helah Bessie NUTE going over in 1922>
She had a father and a brothe named William - and hailed from Millom, Cumberland  - and a whole packet of Millom NUTES are on there at different times. She's in the US unmarried in 1930 with her brother.

With NUTE being a relatively rare name seeming to emanate  from a particular area (Cornwall and Devon) it's always a good "One-Name" Study sort of name and no doubt a lot of them are related somehow.....there are heaps of hits if you Google, NUTE Cornwall for example...which you've probably done! I think the earliest one I saw was a fellow who arrived in, or settled in  Portsmouth in the 1600's.


Cheers
AMBLY

[f1rocco]

Thanks.....

Im off to search more tomorrow on how John Shiells got Myles farm.....Berwickshire is where John was born seems to be a popular place with the higher standing Shiells....If John is related to royalty there has to be a connection...


Best fit Ive seen is Marion could be the father of John or his Uncle....Year fits..Farming fits...And for me Marion seems a tad like George....Bad work and play habits..

I also still think John had a brother Alexander....Based on the web page I cant find again.........

Until tomorrow...CYA

Jason

[MonicaL]

Jason

A word of caution as you head off to search for the previous generations of Shields.  Records will start to become thinner on the ground into the 18th C. We've been working through the 19th and 20th C where information became more readily available through the start of official reg. in Scotland in 1855 (England 1837) and also, as important, censuses from 1841 which provide another route to be able to verify your info.

In respect of John Shields and his origins, with him dying in England, as mentioned, you will not be able to formally verify the names of his parents and will need to make informed assumptions (subject to you being able to find any other source such as the Old Parish Register entries). I suppose you could check whether he left a will in England following his death there (not sure as to how/where but I'm sure plenty of Rootschatters will).

From previous posts here, we have:

1. His census entries for 1841-71 where he shows a birth place of Westruthers and birth year c. 1795
2. Details of his marriage to Mary Nisbet in 1822, her father shows as GEORGE
           -   marriage/banns  in extracted records: 13 OCT 1822  Westruther, Berwickshire and 13 Oct 1822 Channelkirk, Berwick
3. Children:
           -    Alison SHIELS chr 1 Jun 1823 Crichton MDL - Mary Nisbet's mother's name (?)
           -    Andrew SHIELS chr 16 May 1825 Crichton MDL - John Shield's father's name (?)
           -    George SHIELS chr 6 Aug 1827 Chrichton MDL - Mary Nisbet's father's name
           -    John SHIELL chr 6 Apr 1830 Crichton MDL
           -    Elizabeth SHEILLS b abt 1835 Crichton MDL (not on IGI)


Trying to put some flesh on these bones.

In respect of Mary Nisbet, there is a couple by the names of GEORGE Nisbet and ALISON Brown having children in Berwickshire in the right time frame:

1. ALESON NISBET  Christening: 26 MAR 1786 Lauder, Berwick, Scotland
5. JEAN NISBET Christening: 10 FEB 1788 Lauder, Berwick, Scotland
2. ALISON NISBET Christening: 06 MAR 1793 Lauder, Berwick, Scotland
4. ISOBEL NISBET Christening: 09 APR 1795 Lauder, Berwick, Scotland
3. JANET NISBET Birth: 1799 Lauder, Berwick, Scotland

With the likely early death of Mary Nisbet pre 1841, we can only make informed guesses at this stage.


In respect of John Shields, again I would make a guess that his father was called Andrew which looks to be the name of his first born son (assuming they were following Scottish naming order).

There is a birth entry showing up on the OPRs as follows:

19/01/1794   SHIELS   JOHN   ANDREW SHIELS/      Westruther   /BERWICK   756/ 0010 0104 (no mother's name given)

And one more:

04/04/1802   SHIELS   JAMES   ANDREW SHIELS/      Westruther   /BERWICK   756/ 0010 0113 (no mother's name given)

There are some more births showing with father Andrew Shiels in Berwickshire, but not in Westruther so hard to connect at present without more info.

It might be worthwhile trying to track through the James showing above to see whether he died in Scotland and what info you could learn from looking at his death cert.?

Monica 





   

[MonicaL]

Myles Farm and cottages are still around today, in fact, Myles Farm continues to be a working farm by the look of it.

You can have a look at it (1854 map) on the Old Maps site at www.old-maps.co.uk - just key in co-ordinates 339100/671500 - surrounded by lots and lots of acres......

You can also look at it on one of the modern mapping site. I normally use google maps at http://maps.google.com and key in EAST LOTHIAN EH33 2LE for the post code. As you will see, it is slightly SW off Tranent.

Monica 

[f1rocco]

Wow...My Brain is mush again...Here is the latest


http://www.scotlandgenweb.org/readarticle.php?article_id=13

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1861 Census of families....

 Pg. 7

Highfield Cottage

John THOMSON/head/m/29/ploughman/Moreham, ELN

Jane THOMSON/wife/27/Dirleton, ELN...((Makes Her born on abt 1834))

James THOMSON/son/3/Dirleton, ELN

Alison Y H THOMSON/dau/10m/Dirleton, ELN99



Highfield House

John WOOD/head/m/46/shepherd/Haddington, ELN

Janet WOOD/wife/52/St. Cuthberts, MLN

James ROSS/nephew/u/19/labourer in quarry/St. Stephen, MLN



Pg. 7

Highfield Cottage

Alexander KNOWLES/head/m/27/ploughman/Stenton, ELN

Lillias KNOWLES/wife/27/Whittinghame, ELN
(((AKA  Lillias Shiells))Born abt 1833

Isabella KNOWLES/dau/4/Stenton, ELN

Alexander KNOWLES/son/3/Prestonkirk, ELN

Ann W KNOWLES/dau/1m/Dirleton, ELN

Alexander SHIELLS/brother in law/u/21/ploughman/Stenton, ELN
((Makes his birth abt 1840))


Highfield House

James BLACKIE/head/m/59/ploughman/Tranent, ELN
((Alexander Blackies Brother))

Euphemia BLACKIE/wife/52/Tranent, ELN

Euphemia BLACKIE/dau/u/18/ag lab/Tranent, ELN

Jane BLACKIE/dau/u/16/ag lab/Tranent, ELN

Helen BLACKIE/dau/12/scholar/Tranent, ELN



Congalton Toll

Andrew PRINGLE/head/m/68/toll collector/Haddington, ELN

Jane PRINGLE/wife/78/collectors wife/Edinburgh, MLN

John PRINGLE/son/u/48/gardner/Garvald, ELN

Jane SHIELLS/gdau/u/20/housekeeper/Stevenson, Haddington, ELN
((Makes her born 1840))

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I took the name Lillias and search Latter Day Saints site and found this

John SHIELLS B:  abt 1772
 
D:  16 Aug 1859
Nungate, Haddington, Scotland
M:  27 May 1797
Whittinghame, Haddington, Scotland

Married

Lillias (Lilly) FOGGO B:  abt 1769
Duns, Berwick, Scotland
D:  5 Sep 1859
Nungate, Haddington, Scotland
 
Their Child


John SHIELLS B:  16 Apr 1802
Garvald, Haddington, Scotland
D:  20 Jun 1874
Northig, Morham, Haddington, Scotland
M:  14 Nov 1828
Whittinghame, Haddington, Scotland
 
 
Marries

Isobel or Isabella NISBET B:  31 Jan 1808
Stenton, Haddington, Scotland
D:  26 Sep 1876
East Gate End, Nungate, Haddington, Scotland



Their Child

Lillias SHIELLS B:  3 Dec 1833
Papple, Whittingham, Haddington, Scotland
M:  11 May 1855
Whittinghame, Haddington, Scotland

No other Children show but by using the info from the 1861 Census...Its says

 Alexander is the Brother of Lillias Knowles  aka Lillias Shiells
Born Abt 1840

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  So Im thinking...Shiells were good farmers and each families side had run on seperate farms near each other..........From this it looks like my George Shiells father John was maybe brothers of the other John Shields family listed above......The only old similarity is the Mairrage of both John Shiells to two different Nibets within 6 years and in the same area.......

Thanks

**EDIT**...I searched and Johns Father was John and Isabella fathers father was John so maybe having two children named John...Also Lillias is also a subsitute for the name Isabella........


Going to sleep now....Urrggghhhh

[regknowles]

Wow...My Brain is mush again...Here is the latest


http://www.scotlandgenweb.org/readarticle.php?article_id=13

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1861 Census of families....

 Pg. 7

Highfield Cottage

John THOMSON/head/m/29/ploughman/Moreham, ELN

Jane THOMSON/wife/27/Dirleton, ELN...((Makes Her born on abt 1834))

James THOMSON/son/3/Dirleton, ELN

Alison Y H THOMSON/dau/10m/Dirleton, ELN99



Highfield House

John WOOD/head/m/46/shepherd/Haddington, ELN

Janet WOOD/wife/52/St. Cuthberts, MLN

James ROSS/nephew/u/19/labourer in quarry/St. Stephen, MLN



Pg. 7

Highfield Cottage

Alexander KNOWLES/head/m/27/ploughman/Stenton, ELN

Lillias KNOWLES/wife/27/Whittinghame, ELN
(((AKA  Lillias Shiells))Born abt 1833

Isabella KNOWLES/dau/4/Stenton, ELN

Alexander KNOWLES/son/3/Prestonkirk, ELN

Ann W KNOWLES/dau/1m/Dirleton, ELN

Alexander SHIELLS/brother in law/u/21/ploughman/Stenton, ELN
((Makes his birth abt 1840))


Highfield House

James BLACKIE/head/m/59/ploughman/Tranent, ELN
((Alexander Blackies Brother))

Euphemia BLACKIE/wife/52/Tranent, ELN

Euphemia BLACKIE/dau/u/18/ag lab/Tranent, ELN

Jane BLACKIE/dau/u/16/ag lab/Tranent, ELN

Helen BLACKIE/dau/12/scholar/Tranent, ELN



Congalton Toll

Andrew PRINGLE/head/m/68/toll collector/Haddington, ELN

Jane PRINGLE/wife/78/collectors wife/Edinburgh, MLN

John PRINGLE/son/u/48/gardner/Garvald, ELN

Jane SHIELLS/gdau/u/20/housekeeper/Stevenson, Haddington, ELN
((Makes her born 1840))

___________________________________________________

I took the name Lillias and search Latter Day Saints site and found this

John SHIELLS B:  abt 1772
 
D:  16 Aug 1859
Nungate, Haddington, Scotland
M:  27 May 1797
Whittinghame, Haddington, Scotland

Married

Lillias (Lilly) FOGGO B:  abt 1769
Duns, Berwick, Scotland
D:  5 Sep 1859
Nungate, Haddington, Scotland
 
Their Child


John SHIELLS B:  16 Apr 1802
Garvald, Haddington, Scotland
D:  20 Jun 1874
Northig, Morham, Haddington, Scotland
M:  14 Nov 1828
Whittinghame, Haddington, Scotland
 
 
Marries

Isobel or Isabella NISBET B:  31 Jan 1808
Stenton, Haddington, Scotland
D:  26 Sep 1876
East Gate End, Nungate, Haddington, Scotland



Their Child

Lillias SHIELLS B:  3 Dec 1833
Papple, Whittingham, Haddington, Scotland
M:  11 May 1855
Whittinghame, Haddington, Scotland

No other Children show but by using the info from the 1861 Census...Its says

 Alexander is the Brother of Lillias Knowles  aka Lillias Shiells
Born Abt 1840

________________________________________________

________________________________________________

  So Im thinking...Shiells were good farmers and each families side had run on seperate farms near each other..........From this it looks like my George Shiells father John was maybe brothers of the other John Shields family listed above......The only old similarity is the Mairrage of both John Shiells to two different Nibets within 6 years and in the same area.......

Thanks

**EDIT**...I searched and Johns Father was John and Isabella fathers father was John so maybe having two children named John...Also Lillias is also a subsitute for the name Isabella........


Going to sleep now....Urrggghhhh

Alexander Knowles and Lillias Knowles are my ggGrandparents. Thought you might be interested.

[f1rocco]

Posted by: regknowles

Alexander Knowles and Lillias Knowles are my ggGrandparents. Thought you might be interested....

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Cool.......

Not sure if its the same Lillias...Just a guess....Also is a slight dead end for me.......Might be that the Alexander Shields and Lillias Shiells Knowles were related to my side of the Shiells family in that area.....Not sure but is another angle to find more about my family.........

Alittle more surfing the net and we might be related.....Thanks for posting...