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[MonicaL]

I thought a little light relief might be called for with a look at the Nute family    However, I think we are likely to be back in the realms of who was the father. What did Ellen put down on her MC as the father's details?

I don't think that the 1851 Census in Cornwall that has been cited is the correct one:

1851 Cornwall census

200,,Elizabeth Nute,Wife,M,,30,Sailors Wife,Penryn Cornwall,,
,,James Nute,Son,,5m,,Sailors Son,Penryn Cornwall,,Twin of John
,,John Nute,Son,,5m,,Sailors Son,Penryn Cornwall,,Twin of James

This Elizabeth was married to a William and her maiden name looks to have COUSIER.  This William and Elizabeth went on to have numerous more children - none of them Ellen.  From the 1861 Census:

James Cosier    76
Jane Cosier    76
Elizth Nute    41, mariner's wife
Elizth Nute    13
James Nute    10
John Nute    10
Jane Nute    7
William Nute    1

Adddress: Penryn, Cornwall, England


From the 1861 Census, I think this is Ellen and her family:

Elizabeth Nute    44, head, unmarried, housekeeper, b. St Stephens Cornwall
Willice Nute    10, b. St Stephens Cornwall
Bessey Nute    8, b. St Stephens Cornwall
Ellen Nute    6, b. St Stephens, Cornwall
Jabez Nute    3, b. St Ives Cornwall
Charles Nute    2, b. St Ives Cornwall
Mary Jane Roberts 2, relative's child, Devonport, Devon

Address: St Ives, Cornwall

And Ellen in 1871:

Ellen Nute, 15, b. St. Stephens, Cornwall, England working in the Grainger household as a domestic servant in Saltash Cornwall.

Monica

ADDED: From other board, Ellen's father is down as JOHN NUTE....not that it helps at the moment!

[AMBLY]

Hi Monica!

On Peter and Ellen's MC in Rohin Parish Glasgow- I think it says for Ellen:
Father:  John NUTE, Coal Miner deceased and Elizabeth NUTE, M.S. NUTE

(Jason - this is what I meant, looks like Ellen's mother was nee NUTE as well as marrying one)

The marriage witness: I make out to be:
James John NUTE , signed his X Mark, Witness
  NUTE, signed, Witness

The second Witness, at first I thought it might say Lizzie, then maybe Agnes - now, it could be Bessie.......

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

Sadly I can't see any Nute b. England in the 1881 Census in Scotland, hard to confirm the names.

There is a possible entry for Peter in 1871:

Peter Shields, 21, b. Scotland, soldier at Military Encampment, Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Peter was consistent with his age throughout - could well be him.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Mmmm...I wonder:

Bessie Nute, 49, b. England, domestic living in Glasgow in the Thomson household

Monica

[MonicaL]

    Bessie came through!

Marriage:

1904   GIBSON   JOHN   NUTE   BESSIE   CATHCART   /LANARK/RENFREW   560/00 0024

Parents John NUTE ironstone miner and Elizabeth Pethern (spl?)...so Elizabeth's maiden name wasn't Nute.  Still worries me that she shows as unmarried on the 1861 census entry. Haven't been able to find her as yet in 1851.

Ambly, I'll send you the image and see what you think of the maiden name.

Monica

[MonicaL]

In 1871, Elizabeth Nute, mother, still living in St Ives and still showing as unmarried 

[AMBLY]

Cripes, Monica    I can't keep up :-)
Your'e right Jason is having a run of great good luck 
Bessie age 49 - that was in the 1901?

AND  she married out of Ellen & Peter's address as per the 1891 Census, 89 John St!!

I agree with you I think it says mother's maiden name PETHERN on Bessie's MC
It definitely  doesn't say PETHERN on Ellen's - I am 99.999% sure it says, her mother's M.S. is  NUTE (which could be a mistake on someon'e part)  but smells like a mystery, doesn't it!

That Soldier looks good too, doesn't he - though to be out by 1876, that could mean he was invalided out or something ..............puts him in  right ort of wider area  for meeting Ellen though if she was in Cornwall at that time....hmmm!
Now my turn 

The DC of Janet MENIE nee BLAIKIE - said she died at Cousland in Cranston.....

I just found this below in 1861 - Not  Peter's mother Janet - but looking at the address!!  I think it's maybe it's her sister-in-law -  the 1851 shows (if I've settled on the right ones in 1851) that  this Jane BLACKIE's husband was Robert BLACKIE born abt 1815 Cranston.........

1861; Cranston, Midlothian
Ref: Parish 680, ED 2, pg 9
Address: Address: 38 Cousland V
Wife: Jane BLACKIE 43,  Wife Of Limestone Miner , b  Inveresk, Edinburgh 
Son; Thomas BLACKIE 13, b Cranton
Dau: Jane BLACKIE 10, b Cranston
Son: Robert BLACKIE 6, b Cranston

And this  Rootsweb Tree...
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:974830&id=I46441960
Is starting to make sense now, I had wondered about it;s sources, and why (some people do one name studies or 1-location studies......but maybe not.

It says Janet BLACKIE, Peter's mother may be this one:
1861  Tranent, East Lothian
Address: East Side of Back Street #94
Matron: Mary Hume, matron, widow, 67, matron of Parish Lodging ___?, Currie, Midlothian
Inmate: Janet Blackie, unmarried, 31, pauper, outworker agricultural labourer,
Tranent.

An Arthur MENNIE did die in Dalkeith Midlothian  1859, unsure of age (not indexed).

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

A search for 'any' PETHERN brings up not  many entries in England...but with a lion share concentrated in Cornwall...so we may be on to something there.  Maybe Elizabeth, who shows as unmarried, waas a Pethern but adopted the name Nute without marrying John. Haven't been able to find any relevant entries for father John in any of the early censuses.

I agree, that RootsWeb tree is certainly the same family of Blaikies    Not sure how accurate it is v. what we have found but that will be something for Jason to work through 

The 1861 census entry for a Janet Blaikie would fit though why she would show as single is a puzzle.  Also I cannot see any deaths for the two girls from her marriage to Arthur Mennie pre 1861 - they must be somewhere:

1. JANE MENNIE Birth: 06 SEP 1856 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland
2. JANET HENDERSON MENNIE  Birth: 26 JAN 1858 Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland

Monica

[AMBLY]

Erk......
I just realised - Bessie NUTE married widower John GIBSON the 67 year old House Painter  in beginning of March 1904     .1901, before the Census was taken on 31st....

Here we go  - now I'm really getting bothered! I am ferverishly hoping - that some names and ages are getting a bit twisted , and Jason,  perhaps investing in the original image off SP will sort it out....

1901: Blythswood, Glasgow St David, Lanarkshire
Ref: 644/7, ED 16. pg 8 - Household Schedule 40
Address: 89 John Street
Head: John GIBSON 64, House Painter, b Greenock RNF
Wife: Ruth GIBSON 62, b Ireland
Dau: Elizabeth GIBSON 23, Envelope Maker , b Greenock RNF
Margaret BARNETT 8, b Glasgow RNF (sic - aka Glasgow in RNF ?)

then:
1901: Blythswood, Glasgow St David, Lanarkshire
Ref: 644/7, ED 16. pg 7 - Household Schedule 35
Address: 89 John Street
Head: Bessie NUTE 49, Corporation Domestic, b England
Dau: Emily THOMSON 28, b England
Grand-Dau: Bessie N THOMSON 8, b Glasgow
Grandau: Jessie THOMSON 6, b Glasgow
Grandau: Jane H THOMSON 4, b Glasgow
GrandDau: Emily N THOMSON 2, b Glasgow
Plus, 2 Boarders: Mary WHITE 25 born Ayr, and Maggie HUGHES 44, b Glasgow

In 1901 for Peter and Ellen at 84 John - the ED is 19, page 4 (maybe the way the street was split up fir the enumerators casued the 1 street, and 2 near-together-housed on it to fall into different ED's.......

Do we think that Bessie NUTE age 49, is not really 49, and is in fact, Ellen's and "Ruth" 's mother  no we do not 

This also rather scotches any impression which may  be tempted to be held about 89 John St er al,  - not a cute  little semi-detached (Brownstone to you Jason  ) , or a  2-up-2-down with a fence and aspidestras and all - more likely a tenement type house...? I don't really know (Monica?) but a large number of seperate families have this as their address......

AMBLY