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Offline Bernardivoredge

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Re: Help with tracing my father's ancestors
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 25 July 13 11:08 BST (UK) »
Hi
  Edward Millington born 1854 first married Martha Weigh in 1855, married in Hawarden in 1875, they had 2 children James born 1875 and Thomas 1877, James died at birth and Martha died in 1879, Edward then went on to marry Mary Williams.

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Re: Help with tracing my father's ancestors
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 July 13 11:49 BST (UK) »
I have another option regarding Mary Williams born 1861, True on the 1881 cencus it states Grand-Daughter, could  Mary be Daughter-in-law and that Mary's name was Groucott born in Nantwich in 1861 and married Samuel, on Family Search there is a regestered intended marriage on the 26th June 1881 of a Mary Groucott and Samuel Williams at Waverton Cheshire.

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Re: Help with tracing my father's ancestors
« Reply #11 on: Friday 26 July 13 08:26 BST (UK) »
I am not trying to offend any other members - but I NEVER presume a child was illegitimate because father is not named - many husbands abandoned mother and baby because of financial pressure - many went to USA /Australia/New Zealand to get a better job and get a home and a better life for their wife and children - but never sent for them ....consequently - the father was NEVER mentioned by the mother / grandmother /grandfather because he was a taboo subject  - my own grandfather went to USA for 8 years - and showed up on the doorstep of his wife and children 8 years later - and his wife took him back - my dad could only just remember him ...and also - THE MAN of the house could easily have been grandad , and HE may have forbid a fathers name being mentioned in the house - so ,although it is a very possible scenario that on a marriage certificate if a fathers name is left blank - that child was illegitimate - it wasn`t always the case ....
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Re: Help with tracing my father's ancestors
« Reply #12 on: Friday 26 July 13 09:26 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately the presumption has got to be, that if there is no father's name on the birth certificate, then the child is illegitimate.     
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Re: Help with tracing my father's ancestors
« Reply #13 on: Friday 26 July 13 09:39 BST (UK) »
These may well be two very different situations - garstonite with reasons for father not being mentioned on marriage certificate & silvery with the familiar & accepted reason for father not being mentioned on birth certificate.

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Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON