Stimpson/viner Names

[DebbieG]

Hi

I don't know if you have any of this family (Viner) in the censuss but I went looking to see if they were in Abingdon - it appears they were,  though Philip was born in Appleton and Martha in Wootton,  I can't see any baptisms at the C of E churches but it is possible they were non-comformist,  Abingdon had several chaples at this time



1891 Abingdon St Nichs, Abbey


Martha Viner 51 wid tailoress born Wootton Oxfs.
Edwin Viner 31 
Martha Viner 28
Sarah Viner 25 
Ellen Viner 23
Alice Viner 21
Ellen Hartwell 23 
Albert Viner 17  (occupation soldier)
Frank Viner 14   
Clara Viner 13 
Heber Viner 10 
Harry Viner 7 

 All born Abingdon - all except Albert sewing machinists - no occupation for Edwin
 

 
 from 1881 - St Nichs - Abbey

Philip Viner 45  bricklayer - born Appleford
Edwin Viner 21  lab in brickyard
Sarah Viner 15 
Ellen Viner 13 
Mary Viner 9
Albert P. Viner 7 
Frank Viner 4 
Clara Viner 3 


from 1871 Abingdon

Philip Viner 37  bricklayer born Appleford Berks
Martha Viner 31  tailoress born Wootton Oxfs.
Edwin Viner 11
Martha Viner 9 
Sarah Viner 5 
Ellen Viner 3 
Alice Viner 1 


 
from 1861 Abingdon St Nichs - Abbey

Philip Viner 27 
Martha Viner 21 
Edwin Viner 1 
William Wallis 22  lodger born Ascot
 
 
from 1851 Appleford Berkshire

Philip Viner 44  Ag Lab born Appleford
Mary Viner 42   born Harwell Berks
Philip Viner 17 
George Viner 15 
Job Viner 15 
Sarah Viner 12 
Benjamin Viner 10 
Sarah Viner 8 
William Viner 6 
Mary Viner 4 


Name:  Philip Viner
Birth:  abt 1832
Death:  Dec 1888 - Abingdon, Berkshire, Oxfordshire
 

 

Debbie

[Ethowe]

Hi Debbie,

Thank you for your assistance.  It all appears to fit in well. However I have one question (sorry if I am being a little thick) but from previous info gathered regarding Sarah and Ellen's marraiges (in 1891 and 1894 respectively) it states that their father Philip was a bricklayer but having receieved your info it appears that he died in 1888.  Surely on the marriage certificate it would state 'deceased' or would they put in his occupation when he was alive???  Any more info you are able to give on any of the viners would be much appreciated..

Thanks again

Gill   

[DebbieG]

Hi Gill

wether they wrote the occupation or deceased on the marriage,  when the father was already dead seems to have been pretty random and up to the person officiating at the marriage,  there are many cases in the Abingdon records and others where the occupation is put in just as if the father was still alive.

 

Debbie

[Ethowe]

Oh ok thanks for that.. in that case it seems incredibly likely that this is the viner family we are after... things are looking up..

[DebbieG]

Hi - me again

I found this possible of FreeBMD for a marriage of Philip & Martha


Marriages Mar 1858   (>99%)

BENBOW  Martha    Woodstock  3a 653   
BUGGINS  Ellen     Woodstock  3a 653   
GROOM  Thomas William     Woodstock  3a 653   
Viner  Philip     Woodstock  3a 653   

Deb

[DebbieG]

I think this would be Martha with her family in 1841 in Wootton in Oxfordshire - I wondered which Wootton it was cos there's one in Berkshire as well that is closer to Abingdon - but it appears its the Oxfordshire one which ties in with Woodstock for the registration district on the marriage

from 1841 census - Wootton Oxfordshire

John Benbow 35 
Hannah Benbow 35 
William Benbow 12 
Sarah Benbow 10 
Mary Benbow 8 
Jane Benbow 6 
Eliza Benbow 4 
Martha Benbow 1 


At the moment I can't find the family in 1851 or 61 - but John and Hannah were still alive cos I've found them in 1871 still in Wootton - though all the children have left home

Hannah Benbow 69 
John Benbow 67 




 

[DebbieG]

Here is the amrriage for Philip Viners parents

 from the registers of Sutton Courtenay

Dec 19th 1829
Philip Viner to Mary Fidler
witnesses William Viner & James Robins
 

Deb

[Ethowe]

wow what an angel you are debbie.. now we are really getting somewhere.. my mum kept saying that there was a benbow in there somewhere but not sure where.. so we are certainly now going down the right route.... 

[Peonynon]

Hi,

From Appleford Pr

Burial

03.10.1888   Philip Viner aged 56    - gives residence as Appleford

Peony