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Lookup - TILLERY / TILLARY
« on: Friday 18 January 08 18:23 GMT (UK) »
I need information on the Tillery/Tillary families in Aberdeen in the early 1500-1800 period.  The fartherest back records I have is to a Margaret who was christened in Aberdeen on Nov. 25, 1582.  My ancestor, John Tillery b. 1625 in Scottland, is the first record I can find a Tillery living in Virginia, USA.  I would like to find his parents and siblings if possible.  There was a small estate in the parish of Foveran that was sold in 1788 to John Chambers from the USA.   Any information on this family would be most appreciated.  If there is any cost involved, I would be glad to reimburse.  Best Regards.   

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« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 May 08 14:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Beth,

Try the ANESFHS.

They have ancestor charts of members, you can request copies of them. See http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/download.htm#AncChart for the index.

Good luck,

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 June 08 18:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Beth, Welcome to Rootschat!

Aberdeen City Archives may have some information that you could use, in particular the Church of Scotland Records ( which go back to 1562) and the General Band of Relief, 1639 - the documents for which contain many names of local residents. http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/ACCI/web/site/LocalHistory/RM/loc_CatalogueInformation.asp

There are certainly a lot of Tillerys listed on the IGI for that period. I'm sure people would be pleased to help you sort through to work out which belong to your family if you could give a few details of what you already know to save duplication of efforts.

Do you have any more information about the Estate in Forveran? Do you need any further information on it?  Was it owned by the Tillerys or did they just live there?

If you can give us any more information that you have it might help narrow down the search or give us a better idea of which archives might hold something relevant.

You have been really lucky to have traced the family back this far, it is quite rare to find records in Scotland that can reliably follow a family line hundreds of years back without brick walls and dead ends!


Good luck

Kirsty
Galloway,   Landers,   Lindsay,  Gillespie,  Irvine
Erskine,   McAdam,  Hawthorn
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Anderson,  Nicholson,  Crombie,  MacDonald
Arch, Herbert, Charlesworth, Chapman

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Re: Lookup - TILLERY / TILLARY
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 January 09 08:42 GMT (UK) »
I am interested in this estate for a different reason - one of my great grandmothers, Margaret Ruxton was born there I assume her father David was a tenant farmer on the estate. I visited the area last May and have some pictures.

From an e-mail dated 3 Nov 2003 from the Aberdeen Archives:
"Tillery Estate was bought from the Udnys of Udny in 1788 by John Chambers (formerly Chalmers) a retired planter from the southern USA. His grandson William Chambers-Hunter built a house at Tillery in 1826 by Archibald Simpson. The house was rendered uninhabitable by a fire in the 1950's."




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Re: Lookup - TILLERY / TILLARY
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 February 09 08:13 GMT (UK) »
Hello Peter and all others

My gggrf John John Mackie was born at Tillery, Foveran,1 August 1815. His father John Mackie Snr was a farm worker(?) I need to check that again.

I went there a  few years and have taken pictures of the severe looking house. We met the present owners who had a great knowledge of  previous owners and the history of the place.

The house has been 'done up' inside but the kitchen still has the original set of maids' bells which worked. I have photos of the driveway (like yours) and the kitchen.

The owner also let me take a photo of a photo she found of the Tillery Staff and farm workers, posed in front of the front of the house which came out amazingly well. It is sepia coloured and I think she gave me a timeframe of that photo.

All this data is filed away but I am happy to share it with all who would be interested - I just need time to unearth it.

She did pass on to me that a 'noted' visitor to the house and the family there at one time was ?Oswald  Mosely, the one involved with Fascism and obviously part of the family in England where one has been in the headlines in recent times. Down here in the uttermost ends of the earth - New Zealand- it all didn't mean much to us but I remembered the Tillery connection.

Cheers,  Faith Green
New Zealand



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Re: Lookup - TILLERY / TILLARY
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 February 09 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Faith,
I would be interested in the photo you mention, although it is probably from a time after my family were connected with the estate - but you never know.
When I was at Aberdeen last year, I came across a book at the Central Library with a longer history of the estate which I give below. It appears that both the comment which led off this thread (that Tillery was named after the writer's ancestor - more likely the reverse), as well as the short version of the estate's history sent me by the Archives are incorrect. As I found in another document the estate passed, through an act of parliament, to the Forbes family in 1681 for having supported the right side during the time of Charles II.

EPITAPHS AND INSCRIPTIONS  - FOVERAN   317-318
TILLERY.
This estate originally formed a portion of the barony of Foveran, and belonged to the Turings.
In 1530-40, Andrew Udny, second son of Ranald Udny of Udny, is designed as proprietor.
About the middle of the following century, the Setons of Minnes acquired the property, and erected a mansion-house upon it.
Shortly afterwards it was in the possession of Sir Samuel Forbes of Foveran, who, before 1715, erected a new mansion-house. William Forbes, a succeeding proprietor, married Elizabeth, daughter of John Urquhart of Meldrum.
About 1750, the Forbeses sold the estate to James Ligertwood, a magistrate and merchant in Aberdeen, and for some time convener of the county. He married Jean (not Marjory as inadvertently stated by numerous writers), daughter of John Robertson of Pitmillan and Foveran. Of their family, John was a physician in Aberdeen; Alexander was an officer in the army ; Margaret married (contract dated 21st November, 1775) Sir William Seton, sixth Bart. of Pitmedden; while Jean and Barbara died unmarried.
In 1788, the estate was purchased, at the price of £9500, by John Chambers, who had acquired wealth in South Carolina. He married Agnes Cooper, niece and sole heiress of James Hunter, merchant in Aberdeen, and laird of Darrahill, Middle Ardo, and Gateside. He subsequently assumed the surname of Hunter, and became proprietor of the additional estates of Coldwells, in Ellen, and Auchiries, in Rathen. His eldest son, William Chambers Hunter, succeeded. He married Rachel, daughter of James Thom, formerly merchant in Halifax, Nova Scotia; mid they had a family of four sons and four daughters, of whom John died in 1867; James died in early youth; William, who was an advocate in Aberdeen, died in 1871 ; and Alexander, who was a captain in the army, died 24th March, 1901.
On the death of the last-named, William Chambers Hunter, son of Dr Keith Jopp and of his wife, Rachel, eldest sister of Captain Alexander Chambers Hunter, succeeded, and is still the proprietor.
These notes upon Tillery and its lairds are based upon Mr A. J. Mitchell-Gill's MSS., Temple's " Thanage of Fermartyn," pp. 576-79 ; A. Dingwall Fordyce's Family Record, pp. 40, 172, etc.; and Notes from the Register House.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 20 February 09 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Hello Peter
Thank you for all the informative data about Tillery. It's very similar to what the  owner's wife  told us when we were there in 1998. We were so appreciative of the limited time she spent with us as we only went to get permission to photograph the house. Her husband was an architect (I think) in Aberdeen and he had done research on the house and Estate.

There were just a couple of extra points she mentioned which I had jotted down as she talked about them. There had been a house on the site since the 1200's.The oldest part when we were there on the house was the 1790's bit on the back. There were once 1000 acres of tenanted farms. Joffe lost an arm in WW1 and was a leading fascist. We saw a photo of Oswald Mosely hanging near the kitchen. She said there was a fire in 1936/9. Then I had a reference in my
notes relating to 6 June 1936 in a Paper titled "Press and Journal" which I've never followed up.

She said 'Tilly' meant a hill. Tillery was pronounced Till-er-eye.

Did you go down the drive to see the newer house which is joined to the shell of the burnt out original? I will list the photos we took and if you would like any of them, let me know and I will to try and post them on here.
The drive and gateway.
The burntout shell of original home.
As above with newer living quarters attached to shell.
The renovated original kitchen showing servants' bells.
Closeup of most of servants' bells.
The old Tillery Staff photo.

She had been unable to date the old photo she had found of the Tillery Staff. It is taken in front of the original Tillery's front doors consisting of about 50+ people in 3 /4 rows. The probable? owner and his family are seated in the centre, the well dressed upstairs staff are arranged either side and the downstairs staff behind them. In the back row are it looks like the farm workers etc in simple clothes. My ancestor would have been gone by the time this was taken.

The old photo was taken with my SLR camera of the time but did come out rather well and I was pleased I had this bit of history.

Perhaps the timeframe could be worked out by the clothes worn and the arrival of photography in the outdoors. I now remember that the faces in the original photo were indistinct.

All this sort of thing adds a bit of reality to our family research and we are lucky to be able to travel and do these things. Without exception, we have found people so kind and willing to assist us! Whether it is the fact we have come from so far away with a 'sob' story in our antipodean accents which captures their interests, I don't know but whatever it is we have had some wonderful encounters with such kind people!

Let me know about the photos and I'll have a go at it on here - I haven't done it before only on email letters. EEEK!

Faith Green   ::) ::) ::)








 

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Re: Lookup - TILLERY / TILLARY
« Reply #7 on: Monday 07 December 09 20:48 GMT (UK) »
If anyone's still interested in the Tillery/Tillary family of Foveran please let me know. I can send information from the burial records of Foveran Churchyard.
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY,  DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE,  CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON,  FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE,  STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER, JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW, IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE, WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.

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Re: Lookup - TILLERY / TILLARY
« Reply #8 on: Friday 19 February 10 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Flst, I would be interested in the burial records for Tillery/Tilleray Thank you, I am following my GGrandmothers family she was born a Tillery from the aberdeen area, and I think I have found one of my ancestors in Forven (sp) in the 1841 census.  Thank you